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The discussion revolves around finding the domain of the function f(x, y) = ln((x² + 2x + y²) / (x² - 2x + y²)). Participants are exploring the conditions under which the logarithmic function is defined, specifically focusing on the positivity of the expression inside the logarithm.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the requirement that the argument of the logarithm must be greater than zero. There is mention of using a computational tool to derive a domain condition, but uncertainty remains about the derivation process. Some suggest analyzing the behavior of the numerator and denominator separately, particularly considering the implications of the quadratics involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and insights. There is recognition of the need to consider both the numerator and denominator in determining the domain, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the function is undefined if the argument of the logarithm is non-positive, which is a critical constraint in their analysis. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the quadratic terms in the expression.

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Homework Statement


Find domain of f(x, y) = ln ((x2+2x+y2) / (x2−2x+y2))

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Because the function is a natural ln, the restriction on the function is that everything inside the brackets has to >0, otherwise the function is undefined.

I worked on the problem for a while but wasn't getting anywhere so i plugged the equation into wolfram and got the domain { (x,y) ∈ R2 | 4x2 < (x2 + y2)2}

I'm not sure how to get there though...

[(x2+2x+y2) / (x2−2x+y2)] > 0
 
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says said:

Homework Statement


Find domain of f(x, y) = ln ((x2+2x+y2) / (x2−2x+y2))

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Because the function is a natural ln, the restriction on the function is that everything inside the brackets has to >0, otherwise the function is undefined.

I worked on the problem for a while but wasn't getting anywhere so i plugged the equation into wolfram and got the domain { (x,y) ∈ R2 | 4x2 < (x2 + y2)2}

I'm not sure how to get there though...

[(x2+2x+y2) / (x2−2x+y2)] > 0
Because of the natural log, ##\frac{x^2 + 2x + y^2}{x^2 - 2x + y^2}## has to be positive, but you're forgetting that there is a restriction on the denominator.
 
says said:

Homework Statement


Find domain of f(x, y) = ln ((x2+2x+y2) / (x2−2x+y2))

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Because the function is a natural ln, the restriction on the function is that everything inside the brackets has to >0, otherwise the function is undefined.

I worked on the problem for a while but wasn't getting anywhere so i plugged the equation into wolfram and got the domain { (x,y) ∈ R2 | 4x2 < (x2 + y2)2}

I'm not sure how to get there though...

[(x2+2x+y2) / (x2−2x+y2)] > 0

First, note that for a fixed ##y## you have two quadratics in ##x##. Perhaps start by analysing those quadratics.
 
says said:

Homework Statement


Find domain of f(x, y) = ln ((x2+2x+y2) / (x2−2x+y2))

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Because the function is a natural ln, the restriction on the function is that everything inside the brackets has to >0, otherwise the function is undefined.

I worked on the problem for a while but wasn't getting anywhere so i plugged the equation into wolfram and got the domain { (x,y) ∈ R2 | 4x2 < (x2 + y2)2}

I'm not sure how to get there though...

[(x2+2x+y2) / (x2−2x+y2)] > 0

So, if ##(x^2+2x+y^2)/(x^2-2x+y^2)>0##, then the numerator and denominator must both be > 0 or both be < 0. It might help to look at those two cases separately.
 

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