Find the entropy for the process

  • Thread starter Thread starter chemman218
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Entropy Process
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on calculating the change in entropy (S°) for the process of supercooled water freezing at -8.00 °C. Key parameters include specific heat capacities Cp,ice = 38.09 J/molK and Cp,liquid = 74.539 J/molK, along with the enthalpy of fusion fusH° (at T=0 °C) = 6.01 kJ/mol. The solution involves determining a reversible path from -8 °C to 0 °C, freezing the water, and then cooling the ice back to -8 °C. The integral of dQ/T along this path is essential for calculating the total change in entropy.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of thermodynamic principles, specifically entropy and enthalpy.
  • Familiarity with specific heat capacities and their application in calculations.
  • Knowledge of reversible and irreversible processes in thermodynamics.
  • Proficiency in using the formula delta S = CpLn(T2/T1) and delta Sfus = delta Hfus/T.
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the concept of reversible processes in thermodynamics.
  • Learn how to calculate entropy changes for phase transitions.
  • Explore the implications of supercooling in thermodynamic systems.
  • Review the integration of dQ/T for various thermodynamic paths.
USEFUL FOR

This discussion is beneficial for students in thermodynamics, chemistry enthusiasts, and professionals involved in physical chemistry or materials science, particularly those studying phase transitions and entropy calculations.

chemman218
Messages
13
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Supercooled water is water that is liquid and yet BENEATH the freezing point.
a) A sample of 131 g of supercooled liquid water freezes to solid ice at a temperature of -8.00 ° C. Using the following,
Cp,ice = 38.09 J/molK
Cp,liquid = 74.539 J/molK
fusH° (at T=0 ° C)=6.01 kJ/mol,
calculate S° for the process. Hint: you must set this up in steps! Report your answer to 3 significant figures.

Homework Equations



delta s = CpLn(T2/T1)
delta Sfus = delta Hfus/T

The Attempt at a Solution



I converted the fusH 6.01kj/mol(131g/18g/mol)=.043 joules
I know Delta S has to be an addition of the steps of freezing the water but am not sure how to get there.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
chemman218 said:

Homework Statement



Supercooled water is water that is liquid and yet BENEATH the freezing point.
a) A sample of 131 g of supercooled liquid water freezes to solid ice at a temperature of -8.00 ° C. Using the following,
Cp,ice = 38.09 J/molK
Cp,liquid = 74.539 J/molK
fusH° (at T=0 ° C)=6.01 kJ/mol,
calculate S° for the process. Hint: you must set this up in steps! Report your answer to 3 significant figures.

Homework Equations



delta s = CpLn(T2/T1)
delta Sfus = delta Hfus/T

The Attempt at a Solution



I converted the fusH 6.01kj/mol(131g/18g/mol)=.043 joules
I know Delta S has to be an addition of the steps of freezing the water but am not sure how to get there.
To determine the change in entropy, you have to find a reversible path between the initial and final states and then calculate the integral of dQ/T for that path. Supercooled water freezing at -8C is not reversible. Water freezing at 0C is reversible. So you have to get the supercooled water from -8C to 0C reversibly, let it freeze reversibly, and then cool the ice back to -8C. The change in entropy is the intergral of dQ/T along that path.

AM
 
Thank you so much for the clarification. It makes more sense now to view it in that process.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
6K