Find the extrema of f subject to the stated constraint

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The problem involves finding the extrema of the function f(x,y) = x - y under the constraint x² - y² = 2. The context includes the application of the Lagrange Multiplier method and considerations of parametrization using hyperbolic functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of Lagrange Multipliers and express confusion over the cancellation of variables in their calculations. There is also a suggestion to use hyperbolic substitution to simplify the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some express uncertainty about the existence of extrema, while others reference external tools for verification.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential errors in calculations and differing interpretations of the results provided by online calculators. Participants are also considering the implications of the constraint on the existence of extrema.

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Homework Statement



Find the extrema of f subject to the stated constraint:

f(x,y) = x-y subject to x2-y2=2

Homework Equations



Apply the Lagrange Multiplier!

The Attempt at a Solution



This question was rather odd... I just did a problem similar to this one, and I got the answer right.

Let g(x,y) = x2-y2-2

Now let L(x,y) = f-[tex]\lambda[/tex]g (where [tex]\lambda[/tex] = the Lagrange Multiplier)

Lx = 1 - 2[tex]\lambda[/tex]x = 0

Ly = -1 + 2[tex]\lambda[/tex]y = 0

I then solve for x and y.

I get x = [tex]\frac{1}{2\lambda}[/tex] = y

I plugged both of them into the constraint g(x,y) = x2-y2-2 = 0

Both x and y cancels out! and so

-2 = 0

I am sure I am doing something wrong because there is an answer! I've checked using an online calculator.

Can anyone please show me what I am doing wrong?
 
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If you parametrize x and y using hyperbolic substitution:

[tex] \begin{array}{rcl}<br /> x & = & \sqrt{2} \; \epsilon \cosh{t}, \; \epsilon = \pm 1 \\<br /> <br /> y & = & \sqrt{2} \sinh{t}, \; -\infty < t < \infty \\<br /> \end{array}[/tex]

and substitute this into the function [itex]f(x, y)[/itex], you will get a function of a single variable [itex]\tilde{f}(t)[/itex]. Can you find its analytic expression? Does this function have extrema?
 
you made an error in the last line. The first and second term cancel.
 
Dickfore said:
you made an error in the last line. The first and second term cancel.

Yes you right I made a mistake, the substitution is the way to go
 
Sorry guys, but I still do not know what to do if the x's and y's cancels out...
 
x^2-y^2=2 is the same as (x+y)(x-y)=2 is the same as (x-y)=2/(x+y). Have you considered the possibility it may not have any extrema?
 
Dick said:
x^2-y^2=2 is the same as (x+y)(x-y)=2 is the same as (x-y)=2/(x+y). Have you considered the possibility it may not have any extrema?

Yes... but, I said I used the online calculator and it said the values for the extrema.

Here is the link:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=maximize+x-y+on+x^2-y^2-2%3D0


Note*** I may be misreading the values on the online calculator
 
Don't trust wolfram alpha for everything, I don't even know what it's trying to say. I think it's simply confused. You've correctly concluded a local extremum exists if 0=(-2). It doesn't. There aren't any local extrema.
 
Thank you!
 

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