Find the length of curve r=cos(theta)-sin(theta)

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The problem involves finding the length of the curve defined by the polar equation r = cos(θ) - sin(θ) over the interval 0 ≤ θ ≤ π/4. Participants are exploring the appropriate methods for calculating arc length in polar coordinates.

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  • Participants discuss the arc length formula and its application to polar coordinates, noting a potential confusion between parametric and polar equations. Some suggest that the original poster may have misapplied the arc length formula.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct formula for arc length in polar coordinates, with some participants providing guidance on the differences between parametric and polar representations. The discussion is productive, with participants seeking clarification and expanding on concepts.

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Participants emphasize the need for the original poster to share their work for more targeted assistance. There is an acknowledgment of the specific formula required for polar coordinate equations, which differs from the one initially used.

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Homework Statement



Find the length of the curve r=cosΘ - sinΘ, 0≤Θ≤∏/4

Homework Equations



Arc length = ∫|v| dt

The Attempt at a Solution



I found r'(θ), then used the arc length formula.

Arc length = ∫ sqrt (sin^2 Θ + cos^2 Θ) = ∫ dΘ

and integrated it to find ∫dΘ = ∏/4

The correct answer is however ∏/(2sqrt(2)). Where did I go wrong?
 
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mill said:

Homework Statement



Find the length of the curve r=cosΘ - sinΘ, 0≤Θ≤∏/4

Homework Equations



Arc length = ∫|v| dt

The Attempt at a Solution



I found r'(θ), used the arc length formula, and integrated it to find ∫dΘ = ∏/4. The correct answer is however ∏/(2sqrt(2)). Where did I go wrong?

We can't guess unless you post your work.
 
I will guess that he is confusing a parametric (vector) equation of a curve with a polar coordinate equation of a curve.
 
LCKurtz said:
I will guess that he is confusing a parametric (vector) equation of a curve with a polar coordinate equation of a curve.

Could you possibly expand on this? I am not sure what you mean.
 
mill said:
Could you possibly expand on this? I am not sure what you mean.

There is quite a different formula for the length of a curve in polar coordinates. It is ##\displaystyle s = \int_{\theta_1}^{\theta_2}\sqrt{r^2 + {(\frac{dr}{d\theta})}^2}d\theta.## When you apply some trig identities, the problem becomes very simple.
 
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LCKurtz said:
I will guess that he is confusing a parametric (vector) equation of a curve with a polar coordinate equation of a curve.

mill said:
Could you possibly expand on this? I am not sure what you mean.

Your given equation is not a parametric equation like ##\vec r(t)=\langle x(t),y(t)\rangle## so your arc length formula doesn't apply. It is a polar coordinate equation like ##r = f(\theta)##. Look up the formula for arc length for a polar coordinate equation.
 
Thanks so much. I didn't realize there was another formula.
 

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