Find the length XY from the rectangular diagram

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The discussion revolves around finding the length XY in a rectangular diagram, with initial assumptions leading to the conclusion that XY equals 1. Participants debated the necessity of trigonometric calculations versus simpler geometric approaches, emphasizing that if the rectangle's angles are equal, the problem simplifies significantly. Some contributors suggested using properties of isosceles triangles and similar triangles to derive the solution without extensive calculations. Ultimately, the consensus is that the problem can be solved straightforwardly by recognizing the rectangle's properties and the relationships between its sides and angles. The conclusion reached is that the length of segment XY is indeed 1, based on these geometric principles.
  • #31
chwala said:
I appreciate your approach ...its good but I think my approach would be better for students who may want to find value of the length segment ##YX## by way of calculations...cheers
I disagree. A simple approach is generally better than one that is more complicated. What's the value in doing calculations that don't need to be done?
 
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  • #32
chwala said:
I appreciate your approach ...its good but I think my approach would be better for students who may want to find value of the length segment ##YX## by way of calculations...cheers
The problem was rigged to be solvable without any significant calculations. I'm afraid that your method is not using the principles that the problem was made to exercise. And I am not sure that you understood what many people were trying to tell you about the simpler solution.
 
  • #33
Mark44 said:
I disagree. A simple approach is generally better than one that is more complicated. What's the value in doing calculations that don't need to be done?
FactChecker said:
The problem was rigged to be solvable without any significant calculations. I'm afraid that your method is not using the principles that the problem was made to exercise. And I am not sure that you understood what many people were trying to tell you about the simpler solution.

I strongly agree w/ both of these. @chwala, you seem to have missed the point of the exercise.
 
  • #34
phinds said:
I strongly agree w/ both of these. @chwala, you seem to have missed the point of the exercise.

I understand their approach of using the diagonals ##BX## and ##CY## being equal and using the perpendicular bisector of ##YX##, to come to the conclusion...its very clear to me...ok cheers
 
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  • #35
chwala said:
Square root of ## 5.5^2 + 6^2##
##8.485## is indeed the length of the hypotenuse, but it is not ##\sqrt{5.5^2+6^2}##. How did you arrive at ##8.485## ?
 
  • #36
hmmm27 said:
##8.485## is indeed the length of the hypotenuse, but it is not ##\sqrt{5.5^2+6^2}##. How did you arrive at ##8.485## ?

aaaaaaaarrgh...i made the same mistake just like the silly mistakes i make in chess,... sorry that was very silly of me ..to respond without thinking.

i used SOHCAHTOA,##cos 45^0##=##\frac {6}{h}##
##h##=##\frac {6}{cos 45^0}##=##8.485281374##
 
  • #37
chwala said:
aaaaaaaarrgh...i made the same mistake just like the silly mistakes i make in chess,... sorry that was very silly of me ..to respond without thinking.

i used SOHCAHTOA,##cos 45^0##=##\frac {6}{h}##
##h##=##\frac {6}{cos 45^0}##=##8.485281374##
The main thing that makes this problem "complicated." Is not that its a hard problem. As I believe phinds pointed out, is that the use of the "circle" marks on the diagram implies that those angles are congruent. I believe some users, including myself, are more familiar with the tick markings to illustrate angles are congruent.

Once you figure that the triangles on the bottom left and right are isosceles right angles. We know that that the side of this right triangle along the base is of length 6.

Together, the length of the side of the two right triangles along the base is 12. We know that the length of the base of of the rectangle is 11. Therefore, 12-11 = 1. No computation needed. It is not perpendicular bisector, but basic segment addition.

The reason why I proceeded the way I did in my first post, was that I was not familiar with the way congruent angles were drawn on the diagram. So I tried to find a general solution for when the sum of the upper angles did not measure to 45 degrees.

I noticed at the end, at the end, that they are in fact 45 degrees each. So I mentioned that once you know the triangle is a right triangle, it is a very short solution...
 
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  • #38
chwala said:
aaaaaaaarrgh...i made the same mistake just like the silly mistakes i make in chess,... sorry that was very silly of me ..to respond without thinking.

i used SOHCAHTOA,##cos 45^0##=##\frac {6}{h}##
##h##=##\frac {6}{cos 45^0}##=##8.485281374##
Oh, okay, now that makes sense.

The two things the other posters participating were doing (I assume), involved recognizing the two big triangles as isosceles (skipping the trig bit), and the numbers as dimensionless ("cm" isn't necessary, and actually wrong).

re: mnemonic "SOHCAHTOA" : heheh, thanks : hope I can remember that.
 
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