Find the order of the pole of a function

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I learned that ##f## has another singular point at ##z=1.715##, but i don't think this would be related to the pole at ##z=0##

I tried substitutine ##u=2\cos z-2+z^2##

and $$f(u)=\frac{1}{u^2}$$ has a pole of order 2 at ##u=0## which happens i.f.f. ##z=0## or ##z=1.715##.

so ##f## has a pole of second order at ##u=0## equivalent to ##z=0##.
 
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to be honest i feel ilke my logic is shaky at the conclusion.. I'm not sure how to draw the connection between the the orders of the pole at u=0 and the pole at z=0. like they are the equivalent pole of ##f## so its order stays the same during the ##u## substitution?
 
Have you considered using the series expansion of the cosine?
 
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fresh_42 said:
Have you considered using the series expansion of the cosine?
trying the series expansion of the cosine:

$$f=\frac{1}{(2\cos z-2+z^2)^2}=\frac{1}{(2(1-\frac{z^2}{2!}+\cdots)-2+z^2)^2}=\frac{1}{(\frac{2z^4}{4!}-\cdots)^2}$$
$$\frac{1}{z^8(\frac{2}{4!}-\cdots)^2}$$

$$f=\frac{g}{z^8}\quad\text{with}\quad g=\frac{1}{(\frac{2}{4!}-\cdots)^2}$$

$$g(0)=144\neq 0$$. ##z=0## is an 8th order pole of ##f##!
 
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That looks good to me.

To make a somewhat silly counterexample to your first attempt, ##f(z)=1/(z^2)^2##, let ##u=z^2##, then ##f(u)=1/u^2##. The problem is the ##u## that you picked has a zero of order 4 at ##z=0##.
 
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trying the series expansion of the cosine:

$$f=\frac{1}{(2\cos z-2+z^2)^2}=\frac{1}{(2(1-\frac{z^2}{2!}+\cdots)-2+z^2)^2}=\frac{1}{(\frac{2z^4}{4!}-\cdots)^2}$$
$$\frac{1}{z^8(\frac{2}{4!}-\cdots)^2}$$

$$f=\frac{g}{z^8}\quad\text{with}\quad g=\frac{1}{(\frac{2}{4!}-\cdots)^2}$$

$$g(0)=144\neq 0$$. ##z=0## is an 8th order pole of ##f##!
You can check it with WolframAlpha:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=f(z)=z^7/(2cos+z+-2++z^2)^2
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=f(z)=z^8/(2cos+z+-2++z^2)^2
 
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Office_Shredder said:
That looks good to me.

To make a somewhat silly counterexample to your first attempt, ##f(z)=1/(z^2)^2##, let ##u=z^2##, then ##f(u)=1/u^2##. The problem is the ##u## that you picked has a zero of order 4 at ##z=0##.
would you mind please explaining this more?
 
docnet said:
would you mind please explaining this more?

When you reduced f to ##f(u)=1/u^2##, your ##u(z)## was a function that looked like ##z^4##, so you couldn't use the order of the pole of ##f(u)## to compute the order of the pole of ##f(z)##, because ##u(z)## had a high degree zero at 0, i e. Looked like ##z^4##.

If it's still not clear I wouldn't worry too much about it, as long as you understand the technique in your first post doesn't work and you have to do a series expansion to get the answer.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
When you reduced f to ##f(u)=1/u^2##, your ##u(z)## was a function that looked like ##z^4##, so you couldn't use the order of the pole of ##f(u)## to compute the order of the pole of ##f(z)##, because ##u(z)## had a high degree zero at 0, i e. Looked like ##z^4##.

If it's still not clear I wouldn't worry too much about it, as long as you understand the technique in your first post doesn't work and you have to do a series expansion to get the answer.
Sorry I'm still not understanding. how does one compute the degree of the sine funciton? does ##u=2\sin z - 2 +z^2## have a degree of 2? I'm confused and I don't know how to find a degree of a zero
 
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Sorry I'm still not understanding. how does one compute the degree of the sine funciton? does ##u=2\sin z - 2 +z^2## have a degree of 2? I'm confused and I don't know how to find a degree of a zero

It's just the same way you computed the order of the pole. Although you flipped cosine with sine.

##2\cos(z) -2+z^2 = z^4g(z)## where ##g(0)## is not zero, so this is a zero of order 4. I was calling it a zero of degree 4 but I think that's not actually standard terminology, sorry.
 
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