Find the period of oscillation of a bead on a cycloid string

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The problem involves finding the period of oscillation of a bead on a cycloid string, with the equations of the cycloid provided. The original poster has derived the equation of motion for the bead and is exploring the relationship between angular frequency and the period of oscillation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the derived equation of motion to the period of oscillation but expresses uncertainty in the steps to reach the final answer. Some participants question the validity of the substitution made for the variable u and its implications on the period calculation.

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Participants are actively discussing the derivation of the period of oscillation, with some providing insights into the use of the chain rule and the relationships between variables. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the trigonometric identities used, and while some guidance has been offered, a clear consensus on the correct approach has not yet been reached.

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There is mention of the original equations of the cycloid and the derived equation of motion, which may suggest that certain assumptions or simplifications are being questioned. The original poster also indicates familiarity with the final answer but struggles with the derivation process.

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Homework Statement


Find the period of oscillation of a bead on a cycloid string. If it matters, the original equations of the cycloid were
x=a(\theta-sin\theta) and y=a(1+cos\theta)

Homework Equations


This is a small part of a larger problem... I found the equation of motion of a bead on a cycloid to be:

\ddot{u}+\frac{g}{4a}u=0

where u=cos(\frac{\theta}{2})

using Lagrange which is correct.

I think I recall period being:
T=\frac{2\pi}{\omega}

also \omega=\frac{\dot{v}}{r}

The Attempt at a Solution


Not really sure. All I can do is:

\ddot{u}=-\frac{1}{4}cos(\frac{\theta}{2})
and then I don't know what to do.

Any help is greatly appreciated. I even know the answer but can't see how to get there, so obviously this one must be embarrassingly easy.

T=2\pi\sqrt{\frac{4a}{g}}
 
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In the problem u cannot by simply cos(θ/2). Check this.
 
rl.bhat said:
In the problem u cannot by simply cos(θ/2). Check this.

I'm sure that the equation of motion is correct. It's long and uses some tricky trig identities, but more importantly it matches the answer as given.

In any event, it's the period of oscillation part I do not understand.
 
OK.
Now u = cos(θ/2)
By using the chain rule
du/dt = (du/dθ)(dθ/dt) = ω[-1/2*sin(θ/2)]
Similarly d^2u/dt^2 = ω^2[-1/4cosθ/2] = -1/4*ω^2*u
Substitute in the first equation and find T.
 
Thanks! I forgot that dθ/dt is ω and it's the chain rule twice. So close, but why am I off...

-\frac{1}{4}\omega^2u+\frac{g}{4a}u=0
\frac{1}{4}\omega^2=\frac{g}{4a}
\omega=\sqrt{\frac{g}{a}

T=\frac{2\pi}{\omega}=2\pi\sqrt{\frac{a}{g}
 
Still can't see what I did wrong... how does the 4a not become a?
 

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