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The discussion focuses on finding the potential function, φ, for the vector field F(x, y, z) = yz i + xz j + (xy + 3z²) k. It is established that F is a conservative field since ∇xF = <0,0,0>. The participants detail the process of deriving φ through partial derivatives, ultimately concluding that φ = xyz + z³ is valid, while noting that if the term were xy + 3x² instead of xy + 3z², such a φ would not exist. This highlights the importance of the correct form of derivatives in determining the existence of potential functions.

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Consider the vector field given by

[itex]F(x, y, z) = yz \hat{i} + xz \hat{j} + (xy + 3z^{2})\hat{k}[/itex]

a. Calculate ∇xF and show that F is a conservative field. Done, result = <0,0,0> which implies the vector field is conservative.

b. The way we were taught this is to set

[itex] ∂\phi /∂x = yz, \\<br /> ∂\phi /∂y = xz, \\<br /> ∂\phi /∂z = xy + 3z^{2}[/itex]

Then find the integrals of all 3 equations to get,

[itex] \phi = xyz + C_{x},\\<br /> \phi = xyz + C_{y},\\<br /> \phi = xyz + z^{3} + C{z}[/itex]

Finally, look for similar features and construct [itex]\phi[/itex] like so

[itex]\phi = xyz + x^{3} + C[/itex]

Is that correct?
 
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Is that really how you were taught? It will work but that "look for similar features" looks ambiguous to me.
In fact, in this particular problem, it is impossible to find such a [itex]\phi[/itex]. It simply cannot exist.
Recall that (for "nice" functions, having continuous second derivatives as this does) the order of differentiation in mixed derivatives is irrelevant. That is [tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial z}\right)= \frac{\partial}{\partial z}\left(\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial x}\right)[/tex]
But if [tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}= yz[/tex] then [tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\left(\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial x}\right)= y[/tex] while if [tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial z}= xy+ 3x^2[/tex] then
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial z}\right)= y+ 6x[/tex].

Those are NOT the same so this is impossible. If that "[itex]3x^2[/itex]" in the derivative with respect to z were "[itex]3z^2[/itex]" then it would be possible.

Here's how I would do it.

From [itex]\dfrac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}= yz[/itex], yes we have [itex]\phi(x,y,z)= xyz+ u(y, z)[/itex] where u(y,z) (your "[itex]C_x[/itex]") is a function of y and z only (constant with respect to x). Differentiating that with respect to y we have
[tex]\dfrac{\partial\phi}{\partial y}= xz+ \dfrac{\partial u}{\partial y}[/tex]

But we are told that [itex]\dfrac{\partial \phi}{\partial y}= xz[/itex] so we must have [itex]xz+ \dfrac{\partial u}{\partial y}= xz[/itex]. The "xz" terms cancel leaving [itex]\dfrac{\partial u}{\partial y}= 0[/itex] so that u does NOT, in fact, depend on y and we can write [itex]\phi(x, y, z)= xyz+ u(z)[/itex]. That is, we now know that u can only depend on z. Differentiating that with respect to z we get [itex]\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial z}= xy+ \frac{\partial u}{\partial z}[/itex].

But we are told that [itex]\dfrac{\partial \phi}{\partial z}= xy+ 3z^2[/itex]. So we must have [itex]xy+ \frac{du}{dz}= xy+ 3z^2[/itex]. The "xy" terms now cancel leaving [itex]\frac{du}{dz}= 3z^2[/itex]. (I can now write "ordinary" derivatives because I know that u depends on z only.) That gives [itex]u(z)= z^3[/itex] so that [itex]\phi(x,y,z)= xyz+ u= xyz+ z^3[/itex].

If that "[itex]xy+ 3x^2[/itex]" were, in fact, correct, here is what would happen. We would repeat everything up to the last paragraph which would now be:
" But we are told that [itex]\dfrac{\partial \phi}{\partial z}= xy+ 3x^2[/itex]. So we must have [itex]xy+ \dfrac{du}{dz}= xy+ 3z^2[/itex]. The "xy" terms now cancel leaving [itex]\dfrac{du}{dz}= 3x^2[/itex]. That is impossible- if u is a function of z only, its derivative cannot be a function of x. There is no [itex]\phi(x,y,z)[/itex] having those partial derivatives.
 
Thank you, good sir. That makes sense and seems slightly more intuitive than the method we were taught. This is a great explanation and it should hopefully help me for my examination tomorrow =/
 

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