Find the resistance to produce a specified potential drop

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the resistance required to achieve a specified potential drop of 12 V between two points in a circuit, with a focus on the relationships between voltage, current, and resistance in a series circuit context.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of potential drops across resistors and batteries, questioning the signs used in calculations and the definitions of potential rise versus drop.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the relationships between voltage and resistance, with some guidance provided on clarifying terminology and addressing sign errors in calculations. There is an ongoing examination of the voltage equation and its components.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a diagram that is not visible in the thread, and participants are working with specific values such as a current of 3 A and a 2 Ohm resistor, which may influence their calculations and assumptions.

Vladi

Homework Statement



In Fig. 26-5, how large must R be if the potential drop from A to B is 12 V?
(The figure has been pasted into the attached file).
The answer to this problem is 3.0 ohms. I keep trying to solve this problem but I get a wrong answer. The answer I get from my calculations does not make sense. How can resistance be negative? Any help is appreciated.

Homework Equations


-R=V/I-->V=(R)(I)

The Attempt at a Solution


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My attempt has been attached to this post. The signs that are used within my calculations were determined by the bullet points.
 
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The diagram shows that the current flowing into this series connected line of components is 3 A and you are also told that the total potential drop from A to B is 12 V .

Start by working out the potential drop across the 2 Ohm resistance . What do you think that is ?
 
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As I stated with the bullet points, the potential drop across a resistor is always negative. Thus, the potential drop across the 2 Ohm resistor must be -6 volts. This must also mean that the potential drop across the resistor R is -R*3. The wider side of a battery is positive. The shorter side of a battery is negative. If I move from negative to positive across a battery, the potential drop is positive. If I move from positive to negative, the potential drop is negative. The current determines which direction I should be calculating. In this case, it is left to right.
Using the logic stated above, I came up with the following:
12V=-6.0V-(2.0 Ohms)(3.0 A)+9.0V-(R)(3.0A)
 
Vladi said:
the potential drop across the 2 Ohm resistor must be -6 volts
Not sure if you mean that. If the "drop" is -6V that would mean the potential goes up by 6V as the current passes through it.
The potential drops 6V across the first battery, another 6 through the first resistor, then rises 9V across the second battery.
 
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haruspex said:
Not sure if you mean that. If the "drop" is -6V that would mean the potential goes up by 6V as the current passes through it.
The potential drops 6V across the first battery, another 6 through the first resistor, then rises 9V across the second battery.
You're right. If you are saying drop, that means you are subtracting voltage. If you are rising, that means you are adding. Saying there is a potential drop of -6 volts is redundant and confusing.
 
Vladi said:
You're right. If you are saying there is a potential drop, that means you are subtracting voltage. If you are saying there is a potential rise, that means you are adding voltage. Saying there is a potential drop of -6 volts is redundant and confusing. There is always a potential drop across a resistor. If you are going from a short end of a battery to a long end, there is a POTENTIAL rise. If you are going from a long end of a battery to a short end, there is a POTENTIAL drop. I'm still adjusting myself to the terms. Thanks for the clarification. Are my calculations incorrect? If so, what is it? Thank you for your time.
 
Vladi said:
You're right. If you are saying drop, that means you are subtracting voltage. If you are rising, that means you are adding. Saying there is a potential drop of -6 volts is redundant and confusing.
Do you see that this confusion has led to sign errors in your calculation?
Look at the second sentence in my post #4. Can you continue in that style through the remaining components? Can you then turn that into a voltage equation with the right signs?
 
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haruspex said:
Do you see that this confusion has led to sign errors in your calculation?
Look at the second sentence in my post #4. Can you continue in that style through the remaining components? Can you then turn that into a voltage equation with the right signs?
The voltage equation that I posted before has one mistake. Because the question asks how large R must be for the potential drop to be 12 volts from a to b, this implies that the 12 volts is negative within the equation!
-12V=-6.0V-(2.0 Ohms)(3.0 A)+9.0V-(R)(3.0A)
-->R=3 ohms
Thank you for you help! This problem has helped me solidify some of the new terminology.
 

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