Find the time when the spring force reaches max magnitude

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The discussion revolves around determining the time at which the magnitude of the spring force reaches its maximum in a physics context involving spring dynamics. The original poster provides specific parameters for mass, initial velocity, spring constant, and displacement, along with a formula for the spring force as a function of time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of calculus to find the maximum of the spring force function, with some questioning the necessity of derivatives. There are attempts to relate the spring force to its maximum value through the sine function, and considerations of the unit circle are mentioned.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the role of the sine function in determining the maximum value, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method to find the time of maximum force.

Contextual Notes

There is a constraint mentioned where the teacher advised against using derivatives, which has influenced the participants' approaches to the problem. The original poster has also provided a table of values for time and corresponding spring force, indicating an empirical approach to understanding the problem.

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Homework Statement


Show how you use calculus to find the time when the magnitude of the Spring Force reaches its maximum. Then, when you found that time show how you calculate the Spring force at that time as well.

m = 1.125kg
vi = .8 m/s
k = 2250 N/m
x = 0m

Homework Equations


Fs (t) = [-mvi sqrt(k/m)] sin (sqrt(k/m)t)

The Attempt at a Solution


So the homework provided the Time and we had to find the Spring Force and put them in a table, which I did. After viewing the graph I figured, that the magnitude reaches its maximum between .03 and .04, but I can't figure out how to find that.

I didn't know how to make a table on here, but I tried the best I could
Code:
time (t) | Spring Force (F)
 0            0
.01     |       -17.41
.02     |      -31.39
.03     |     -39.2
.04     |    -39.3
.05     |    -31.67
.06     |   -17.81
.07     |   -.45
 
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The problem statement tells you to "use calculus."

How do you usually go about finding the max/min of a function in calculus?
 
RedDelicious said:
The problem statement tells you to "use calculus."

How do you usually go about finding the max/min of a function in calculus?

My teacher said not to find the derivative, so that’s out of the question. The only other way I can think of is t=Fs(t)/[(-mvsqrt(k/m)]sin sqrt(k/m)), but it won’t work. Unless I would the integral of the equation...
 
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SirChris93 said:
My teacher said not to find the derivative, so that’s out of the question. The only other way I can think of is t=Fs(t)/[(-mvsqrt(k/m)]sin sqrt(k/m)), but it won’t work. Unless I would the integral of the equation...

That's fine. It's not necessary to take the derivative anyway.

The only time depenendent part of your function is the sine. And so your function will have its max value when the sine function has its max value.

Is sin(x) ever going to be greater than 1? For what x does it have a max value? Think of the unit circle.
 
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