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If you have the ratio that's all you need.Helly123 said:Yes.. so. For this kind of quiz (in case i bump into one again) i don't need m or k. Right?
The discussion centers on calculating the time when a spring reaches its maximum height during harmonic motion. The spring constant was determined to be 12.50 N/m, and the period of oscillation was calculated as T = 1.27 seconds. Participants emphasized the importance of using the effective spring constant for two springs in series and noted that the maximum height is reached at half the period, specifically 0.45 seconds. The conversation highlighted the need to understand the relationship between displacement, mass, and gravitational force in this context.
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If you have the ratio that's all you need.Helly123 said:Yes.. so. For this kind of quiz (in case i bump into one again) i don't need m or k. Right?
Ok thanks. :)haruspex said:If you have the ratio that's all you need.
Even the ratio ##m/k## is not needed. All you need is the displacement of the springs to the new equilibrium position under the load and the acceleration of gravity. See post #22.haruspex said:If you have the ratio that's all you need.
Well, you do need m/k to use the equation for the period, but in this case m/k can be found from d/g.kuruman said:Even the ratio ##m/k## is not needed. All you need is the displacement of the springs to the new equilibrium position under the load and the acceleration of gravity. See post #22.
Yes, strictly in the context of the question. To the untrained eye, the equation ##T=2\pi\sqrt{d/g}## may seem to imply that when the oscillator is taken to the Moon, the period will decrease, just like the period of a pendulum.haruspex said:It depends whether the question of what you need is purely in the context of questions like this one or more general.
Yes, good point. I find quite a lot of missteps in threads on this forum come from applying a memorised equation out of its rather narrow context. As a student, I had the advantage of not being able to remember reams of equations, so relied on the most fundamental ones.kuruman said:Yes, strictly in the context of the question. To the untrained eye, the equation ##T=2\pi\sqrt{d/g}## may seem to imply that when the oscillator is taken to the Moon, the period will decrease, just like the period of a pendulum.
it's weird.. why there's g on periode and not depend on g..haruspex said:Yes, good point. I find quite a lot of missteps in threads on this forum come from applying a memorised equation out of its rather narrow context. As a student, I had the advantage of not being able to remember reams of equations, so relied on the most fundamental ones.
haha.. Socrates ;)kuruman said:Because when ##g## decreases by some factor, ##d = mg/k## decreases by the same factor the ratio ##d/g## remains the same because it's equal to the ratio ##m/k## that remains the same.