Find the time when the spring reaches its max height

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The discussion focuses on calculating the time when a spring reaches its maximum height in a harmonic motion scenario. The spring constant was initially miscalculated, leading to confusion about the period of oscillation. Participants clarified that the effective spring constant should be considered, and the period can be derived from the displacement of the springs under load and gravitational acceleration. The final consensus is that the ratio of displacement to gravitational acceleration is sufficient to determine the period without needing individual values for mass or spring constant. The correct fraction of the period to reach maximum height was identified as approximately 0.45 seconds.
  • #31
Helly123 said:
Yes.. so. For this kind of quiz (in case i bump into one again) i don't need m or k. Right?
If you have the ratio that's all you need.
 
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  • #32
haruspex said:
If you have the ratio that's all you need.
Ok thanks. :)
 
  • #33
haruspex said:
If you have the ratio that's all you need.
Even the ratio ##m/k## is not needed. All you need is the displacement of the springs to the new equilibrium position under the load and the acceleration of gravity. See post #22.
 
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  • #34
kuruman said:
Even the ratio ##m/k## is not needed. All you need is the displacement of the springs to the new equilibrium position under the load and the acceleration of gravity. See post #22.
Well, you do need m/k to use the equation for the period, but in this case m/k can be found from d/g.
It depends whether the question of what you need is purely in the context of questions like this one or more general.
 
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  • #35
haruspex said:
It depends whether the question of what you need is purely in the context of questions like this one or more general.
Yes, strictly in the context of the question. To the untrained eye, the equation ##T=2\pi\sqrt{d/g}## may seem to imply that when the oscillator is taken to the Moon, the period will decrease, just like the period of a pendulum.
 
  • #36
kuruman said:
Yes, strictly in the context of the question. To the untrained eye, the equation ##T=2\pi\sqrt{d/g}## may seem to imply that when the oscillator is taken to the Moon, the period will decrease, just like the period of a pendulum.
Yes, good point. I find quite a lot of missteps in threads on this forum come from applying a memorised equation out of its rather narrow context. As a student, I had the advantage of not being able to remember reams of equations, so relied on the most fundamental ones.
 
  • #37
haruspex said:
Yes, good point. I find quite a lot of missteps in threads on this forum come from applying a memorised equation out of its rather narrow context. As a student, I had the advantage of not being able to remember reams of equations, so relied on the most fundamental ones.
it's weird.. why there's g on periode and not depend on g..
 
  • #38
Because when ##g## decreases by some factor, ##d = mg/k## decreases by the same factor the ratio ##d/g## remains the same because it's equal to the ratio ##m/k## that remains the same.
 
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  • #39
kuruman said:
Because when ##g## decreases by some factor, ##d = mg/k## decreases by the same factor the ratio ##d/g## remains the same because it's equal to the ratio ##m/k## that remains the same.
haha.. Socrates ;)
 

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