Find the time when the spring reaches its max height

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving springs and harmonic motion, specifically focusing on determining the time when a spring reaches its maximum height. Participants are exploring concepts related to spring constants, potential energy, and the dynamics of oscillatory motion.

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the spring constant and using conservation of energy principles. Some are questioning the displacement of the springs and the implications for their calculations. Others are exploring the relationship between the period of oscillation and the time to reach maximum height.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants offering insights and suggestions. Some have provided hints regarding the use of the period of oscillation, while others are clarifying the relationship between the effective spring constant and the mass involved. There is a recognition of differing interpretations of the spring constant and its impact on the calculations.

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Participants are working under constraints that limit the use of calculators, which influences their approach to approximating values. There is also mention of potential discrepancies in the spring constant values being used, leading to different conclusions about the time to reach maximum height.

  • #31
Helly123 said:
Yes.. so. For this kind of quiz (in case i bump into one again) i don't need m or k. Right?
If you have the ratio that's all you need.
 
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  • #32
haruspex said:
If you have the ratio that's all you need.
Ok thanks. :)
 
  • #33
haruspex said:
If you have the ratio that's all you need.
Even the ratio ##m/k## is not needed. All you need is the displacement of the springs to the new equilibrium position under the load and the acceleration of gravity. See post #22.
 
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  • #34
kuruman said:
Even the ratio ##m/k## is not needed. All you need is the displacement of the springs to the new equilibrium position under the load and the acceleration of gravity. See post #22.
Well, you do need m/k to use the equation for the period, but in this case m/k can be found from d/g.
It depends whether the question of what you need is purely in the context of questions like this one or more general.
 
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  • #35
haruspex said:
It depends whether the question of what you need is purely in the context of questions like this one or more general.
Yes, strictly in the context of the question. To the untrained eye, the equation ##T=2\pi\sqrt{d/g}## may seem to imply that when the oscillator is taken to the Moon, the period will decrease, just like the period of a pendulum.
 
  • #36
kuruman said:
Yes, strictly in the context of the question. To the untrained eye, the equation ##T=2\pi\sqrt{d/g}## may seem to imply that when the oscillator is taken to the Moon, the period will decrease, just like the period of a pendulum.
Yes, good point. I find quite a lot of missteps in threads on this forum come from applying a memorised equation out of its rather narrow context. As a student, I had the advantage of not being able to remember reams of equations, so relied on the most fundamental ones.
 
  • #37
haruspex said:
Yes, good point. I find quite a lot of missteps in threads on this forum come from applying a memorised equation out of its rather narrow context. As a student, I had the advantage of not being able to remember reams of equations, so relied on the most fundamental ones.
it's weird.. why there's g on periode and not depend on g..
 
  • #38
Because when ##g## decreases by some factor, ##d = mg/k## decreases by the same factor the ratio ##d/g## remains the same because it's equal to the ratio ##m/k## that remains the same.
 
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  • #39
kuruman said:
Because when ##g## decreases by some factor, ##d = mg/k## decreases by the same factor the ratio ##d/g## remains the same because it's equal to the ratio ##m/k## that remains the same.
haha.. Socrates ;)
 

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