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The discussion revolves around finding vector C, defined as C = B - A, given the magnitudes of vectors A and B. The context involves vector operations and trigonometric relationships in physics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the method of finding vector C through components and the use of special triangles. There are questions about the correctness of the magnitude calculated and the interpretation of finding vector C.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting drawing the vector or writing out components. There is acknowledgment of the calculated magnitude, but uncertainty remains about the process for part a. Multiple approaches are being explored, including trigonometric methods and component analysis.

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Participants are navigating between different methods of solving the problem, including trigonometric identities and vector component analysis. There is mention of avoiding rounding errors by using exact values from special triangles.

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Homework Statement



Vectors A and B are shown in the figure. Vector C is given by C=B-A. The magnitude of vector A is 15.0 units, and the magnitude of Vector B is 5.00 units.

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Part a) Find the vector C?

Part b) What is the magnitude of vector C?

Homework Equations



SOHCAHTOA

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew these lines on the diagram and then solve for the sides using the angles with the SOHCAHTOA Method. Then after I found the sides I use the Pythagorean theorem to solve for side C. I am assuming vector C is the line connected with vector A and B.

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Answer:

Part b) the magnitude of vector C is 14.523.

Q: How to do part a? I don't understand what it means by finding vector C. Also is the above correct?
 
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finding vector C is what you did when you worked out the components. You cannot do part (b) without it. You can answer the question by drawing the vector on the diagram and/or by writing out the components with the i and j unit vectors.

Did you see that the two vectors use special triangles so you don't need a calculator?
 
Simon Bridge said:
finding vector C is what you did when you worked out the components. You cannot do part (b) without it. You can answer the question by drawing the vector on the diagram and/or by writing out the components with the i and j unit vectors.

Did you see that the two vectors use special triangles so you don't need a calculator?

I'm a bit confused.

The value I got, 14.523 units, is that the answer for part b, which is to find the magnitude?

So if I understand what you're saying, part a is to either draw the vector on the diagram or write out the components. Example answer is Vector C = 6.27i + 13.1j units.
 
Example answer is Vector C = 6.27i + 13.1j units.
That's a vector all right - well done! The magnitude of that vector would be 14.523 units... the answer to (b).
 
Hey quick question, how do I solve this using the physics method and not the pre-calculus method like I did above using SOHCAHTOA?
 
sohcahtoa is just a mnemonic to remember the basic trigonometric relations.

trigonometry (the art of measuring triangles) is a basic tool of physics ... there is more to it than sohcahtoa.

In this case I think I suggested the special triangles.
The two in the diagram were 45-45-90, and 30-60-90 ...
The first one is the triangle you get when O=A, and the second is when H=2O
The lengths of the sides have ratios O:A:H = 1:1:√2 and 1:√3:2

i.e. when O=A then H=O√2

So
- for vector A: Ay=-Ax=|A|/√2
- for vector B: By=-|B|/2, Bx=-|B|(√3/2)

One advantage of this approach is that you can write:
|A|/√2 = 15/√2

... and stop there - it's exact: no need to go into decimals.
Leave the heavy calculator work to the end avoids accumulating rounding-off errors.
It also makes your working easier to troubleshoot if you make a mistake.

Another approach is to draw out the vectors head-to-tail so C=B-A = B+(-A)
the magnitude of C is the length of the third side of the resulting triangle - which you can get from the cosine rule. The sine rule gives you the other angles - which gives you the direction of C.
However - it is easiest to do this one in terms of components.
 

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