Finding a new speed after adding a friction force? Help

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The problem involves a block of ice sliding down a ramp, initially frictionless, and then with a constant friction force. Participants are exploring the effects of friction on the speed of the block at the bottom of the ramp, as well as the angle of the ramp.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of forces acting on the block, including gravitational force and friction. There are attempts to find acceleration and speed using kinematic equations. Some participants express confusion about the relationship between acceleration, distance, and time.

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Some participants have made calculations and shared their results, but there is uncertainty about the correctness of their methods. Questions remain regarding the use of specific equations and the interpretation of variables. Guidance has been offered to clarify the meaning of displacement in the context of the equations being used.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding the application of kinematic equations and the dimensions of the variables involved. Participants are also navigating the implications of using different methods, such as energy considerations versus force analysis.

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Homework Statement


A 8.00kg block of ice, released from rest at the top of a 1.04m--long frictionless ramp, slides downhill, reaching a speed of 2.76m/s at the bottom.

What is the angle between the ramp and the horizontal?
This I calculated as 21.9 degrees

What would be the speed of the ice at the bottom if the motion were opposed by a constant friction force of 10.9N parallel to the surface of the ramp?

Homework Equations


F = ma
w = mg
vx = v0 + axt

i might be missing several

The Attempt at a Solution



so I drew a diagram which i probably can't move to here, but--
I aligned the x and y-axis to match the normal force and the friction force

I calculated the force of the block of ice going down the ramp by using "mgsin(theta)" (where theta is 21.9) and got 29.24 N. I subtracted 10.9N from it to get the net force of 18.34N. I used F = ma to find acceleration and I got 2.293m/s^2.

I tried putting in 2.293m/s^2 and it says close but not quite.
How do I find t so I can use the vx = v0 + axt?

I got stuck up to there and some(or all of it) may be wrong since physics is my weakest subject haha.
 
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monikraw said:

Homework Statement


A 8.00kg block of ice, released from rest at the top of a 1.04m--long frictionless ramp, slides downhill, reaching a speed of 2.76m/s at the bottom.

What is the angle between the ramp and the horizontal?
This I calculated as 21.9 degrees
Correct

What would be the speed of the ice at the bottom if the motion were opposed by a constant friction force of 10.9N parallel to the surface of the ramp?

Homework Equations


F = ma
w = mg
vx = v0 + axt

i might be missing several

The Attempt at a Solution



so I drew a diagram which i probably can't move to here, but--
I aligned the x and y-axis to match the normal force and the friction force

I calculated the force of the block of ice going down the ramp by using "mgsin(theta)" (where theta is 21.9) and got 29.24 N. I subtracted 10.9N from it to get the net force of 18.34N. I used F = ma to find acceleration and I got 2.293m/s^2.

I tried putting in 2.293m/s^2 and it says close but not quite.
How do I find t so I can use the vx = v0 + axt?

I got stuck up to there and some(or all of it) may be wrong since physics is my weakest subject haha.
Why not use v^2 = v_{o}^2 + 2as ? Could also use energy methods.
 
I got the answer after dividing by 1.04. I don't know why that happened to be the answer nor do I know why that was a necessary step. Someone please explain?
 
monikraw said:
I got the answer after dividing by 1.04. I don't know why that happened to be the answer nor do I know why that was a necessary step. Someone please explain?

That would not make any sense. Dividing an acceleration by a length does not give a speed. (Check the dimensions)
Use what I suggested in my previous post.
 
where s is seconds, I'm assuming?
so v^2 = 0 + 2*(2.293m/s^2)(0.377m/s?)
I got time by dividing 2.76 by 1.04 since d = speed * time
square root each side and I get v = 1.314556188

the answer was 2.19 :x...probably did something wrong.
 
monikraw said:
where s is seconds, I'm assuming?
The s in this eqn is the displacement of the body. The value of s here is the 1.04m, since we are looking for the speed at the bottom of the slope and the body moved 1.04m from where it was released.
so v^2 = 0 + 2*(2.293m/s^2)(0.377m/s?)
Check this again, given what I said above.
I got time by dividing 2.76 by 1.04 since d = speed * time
From the moment the body is released, it will gain speed. The eqn d=vt only applies if the body is not accelerating.
 

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