Finding a Non-Diagonalizable 3x3 Matrix with 2 as its Only Eigenvalue

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The discussion revolves around finding a 3x3 matrix that is not diagonalizable and has 2 as its only eigenvalue. The original poster attempts to derive equations based on the determinant of the matrix but expresses uncertainty about their correctness and the overall approach.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of having infinitely many solutions to the derived equations and question the effectiveness of the current method. There are inquiries about alternative forms of matrices that are not diagonalizable and the characteristics of upper triangular matrices.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints regarding the use of upper triangular matrices and the need to find specific values that lead to a non-diagonalizable matrix. The conversation reflects a mix of exploration and attempts to clarify the definitions and properties related to diagonalizability.

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There is an emphasis on the need for three linearly independent eigenvectors for diagonalizability, and participants are navigating through the constraints of the problem while addressing the definitions involved.

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Homework Statement



Find a 3*3 matrix A which is not diagonalizable and such that 2 is the only eigenvalue of A

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since λ=2,and it is a 3*3 matrix

i get the det(λI-A)=(λ-2)^3=0

then λ^3-6λ^2+12λ-8=0

now i use http://image.cramster.com/answer-board/image/cramster-equation-2009452223286337456700835550002161.gifas[/URL] matirx A

and i calculate

det(λI-A)
=λ^3-λ^2(i+e+a)+λ(ai+ae+ie-cg-hf-bd)-(aef+bfg+cdh+cge-ahf-bdi)=0

now we can easy to know that

i+e+a=6

ai+ae+ie-cg-hf-bd=12

aef+bfg+cdh+cge-ahf-bdi=18

now I am stuck here

can anyone help me to slove these equtions.

i don't konw the way i doing this problem is right or wrong.

if u have any others ideas,please help me
 
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There are infinitely many solutions to those equations: 9 variables and 3 equations. Also, solutions to them tell you nothing about whether or not the matrix can be diagonalised. You're going to have to think of a different method.

Do you know of any other forms a matrix can be put into if it is not diagonlisable?

Do you know of any matrices where it is easy to see what the eigenvalues are?
 


matt grime said:
There are infinitely many solutions to those equations: 9 variables and 3 equations. Also, solutions to them tell you nothing about whether or not the matrix can be diagonalised. You're going to have to think of a different method.

Do you know of any other forms a matrix can be put into if it is not diagonlisable?

Do you know of any matrices where it is easy to see what the eigenvalues are?

sorry, i don't have any ideas

could u just give me any hints?
 


Hint: think about upper triangular matrices.
 


Dick said:
Hint: think about upper triangular matrices.

but the matrix A is not diagonalizable
 


tengxiaona said:
but the matrix A is not diagonalizable

Do you really think all upper triangular matrices are diagonalizable?
 


Dick said:
Do you really think all upper triangular matrices are diagonalizable?

ok,i trid again and stuck again

i set A as

a b c
0 d e
0 0 f

use the way i did before above

finally i get

a+d+f=6
fd+af+ad=12
adf=18

then....=.=

i still can't slove these equtions

Dick , wut exactly do u mean by ues an upper matrix
 


By an upper triangular matrix I mean exactly what you posted. You should be able to tell me what the eigenvalues of that matrix are without working too hard. That tells you what values a, d and f should have. Now you just want to find an EXAMPLE of values of b, c and e that is NOT diagonalizable. Hint: it's not diagonalizable if you can't find three linearly independent eigenvectors. Just try guessing. Hint: b=c=e=0 is a bad guess.
 


Where did those 3 equations come from, and why? I think you need to work out the determinant of an upper triangular matrix again. You still haven't addressed what it means for a matrix to be (or not be) diagonalizable, either.
 
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i got it now !

i really went to a wrong way!

thanks for DICK and MG you guys help!
 

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