Finding a solution to Laplace's equation

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The discussion revolves around solving Laplace's equation with non-homogeneous, mixed boundary conditions in two dimensions. The original poster presents the equation and boundary conditions, seeking assistance in finding a solution while expressing uncertainty about their approach.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to use separation of variables and constructs a solution based on boundary conditions. They express confusion regarding the implications of their findings and the correctness of their boundary condition applications. Some participants question the validity of the original poster's conclusions about the coefficients derived from the boundary conditions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing corrections and clarifications regarding the application of boundary conditions and the resulting equations. There is a recognition of errors in the original poster's solution, and some participants suggest re-evaluating the approach to ensure proper application of the mathematical principles involved.

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There are ongoing discussions about the implications of specific values of parameters, such as ##\kappa##, and the need to check all possible values in the context of the boundary conditions. The original poster acknowledges typos and errors in their reasoning, which contributes to the complexity of the problem.

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So here I have Laplace's equation with non-homogeneous, mixed boundary conditions in both x and y.

1. Homework Statement

Solve Laplace's equation \begin{equation}\label{eq:Laplace}\nabla^2\phi(x,y)=0\end{equation} for the following boundary conditions:
  1. \phi(0, y)=2;
  2. \phi(1, y)=0;
  3. \phi(x, 0)=0;
  4. \frac{\partial}{\partial y}\phi(x,1)=1.
Here, \phi is the potential.

Homework Equations



In two dimensions:\nabla^2 = \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2} + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2}.

The Attempt at a Solution


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As far as I can tell, a solution exists in \begin{equation}\label{eq:phi1}\phi(x,y)=\phi_0(x) + \Delta\phi(x,y),\end{equation} where \phi_0(x) satisfies the x-boundaries, in that \phi_0(x)=A_0+B_0 x and \Delta\phi(x,y) satisfies the y-boundaries, with a separable solution of the form \Delta\phi(x,y)=\sum_{n}\chi_n(x)\gamma_n(y).

Applying boundary condition 1: \phi_0(0,y) = 2 \implies \boxed{A_0 = 2}, so now \phi_0= 2+B_0 x.

Applying boundary condition 2: \phi_0(1,y) = 2+ B_0 = 0 \implies \boxed{B_0 = -2}. Hence, have that \begin{equation}\phi_0(x,y) = 2-2x.\end{equation}

Now, equation \ref{eq:phi1} can be substituted into Laplace's equation (\ref{eq:Laplace}) to yield \frac{\partial^2\Delta\phi(x,y)}{\partial x^2} + \frac{\partial^2\Delta\phi(x,y)}{\partial y^2} = 0. This has the separable solution in \Delta\phi(x,y) = \chi(x)\gamma(y): \frac{\mathrm{d}^2\chi}{\mathrm{d}x^2} = \kappa \chi(x) \\ \frac{\mathrm{d}^2\gamma}{\mathrm{d}y^2} = -\kappa \gamma(y) so that \begin{align}\chi(x) = E \cos{\kappa x} + F \sin{\kappa x} \\ \gamma(y) = G e^{\kappa y} + H e^{-\kappa y}, \end{align} for which I found using the homogeneous boundary conditions produced from \phi_0(x) that F = -E and, in turn, E = 0 -- so \chi(x) = 0\ \forall x \implies \boxed{\Delta\phi(x,y) = 0} and so \begin{equation}\boxed{\boxed{\phi(x,y)=2 - 2x}},\end{equation} which just cannot be correct!

I have tried solving the solution directly using separation of variables with all types of attempted forms of solutions and---after pages and pages of working---have come up with nothing. I feel like there's a very simple but essential point I'm missing here.

Thanks in advance!
 
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You are fine until the point you claim that the homogeneous boundary conditions give ##E = - F = 0##. This is not correct.
 
Orodruin said:
You are fine until the point you claim that the homogeneous boundary conditions give ##E = - F = 0##. This is not correct.

Hi!

For this step, I used the boundary conditions ##\Delta\phi(0,y) = \Delta\phi(1,y) = 0##, originating from 1 and 2. Was this incorrect?
 
No, that is correct. Your solution of the resulting equations is not.
 
Orodruin said:
No, that is correct. Your solution of the resulting equations is not.

Right you are!

I had that ##e^{\xi} - e^{-\xi} = 2 \cosh{\xi}##—which would imply the only way ##\chi(1)=0## is if ##E = 0## since ##\cosh{x}\not=0## for any ##x##—when instead, ##e^{\xi} - e^{-\xi} = 2 \sinh{\xi} \implies e^{\kappa x} - e^{-\kappa x} = 2 \sinh{\kappa x}##, so \chi(x) = 2E \sinh{\kappa x} which means \chi(1) = 2E\sinh{\kappa} = 0 which is only true for either ##E = 0## (trivial) or for ##\kappa = 0##.

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Fig 1.
Blue line is ##\sinh{x}##; red line is ##\cosh{x}##.​

Does this look like a good place to continue from? The implications of ##\kappa = 0## on ##\gamma(y)## also worries me.
 
No, you are not using the actual form you wrote down for the solution in the x-direction. Also remember that you must check all values of ##\kappa##.

There is also an error in your solution, the argument of the functions is not ##\kappa x##, this would give ##\kappa^2## as a factor when differentiating twoce instead of ##\kappa##, which is in your differential equations.
 
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Orodruin said:
No, you are not using the actual form you wrote down for the solution in the x-direction. Also remember that you must check all values of ##\kappa##.
Oh yes! I hadn't even noticed that! Thank you for pointing this out.

Orodruin said:
There is also an error in your solution, the argument of the functions is not ##\kappa x##, this would give ##\kappa^2## as a factor when differentiating twoce instead of ##\kappa##, which is in your differential equations.
This was a typo on my part -- sorry! I also should have the opposite signs on the ##\kappa## for each ##x## and ##y## solution in order to adequately satisfy the solutions ##\chi## and ##\gamma## I gave.

Thank you for all your help -- you've been of great assistance!
 
Solution:
For anyone reading this who is interested in the solution:

Applying the new homogeneous boundary conditions in ##x##:
  1. ##\Delta\phi(0,y) = 0 \implies \boxed{F = 0};##
  2. ##\Delta\phi(1,y) = 0 \implies \boxed{\kappa = n \pi}## for ##n\in\mathbb{N}##.
means that \begin{equation} \chi(x) = E \sin{n\pi x}.\end{equation} We can hence determine ##G## and ##H## using the original boundary conditions 3 and 4. 3 finds that ##\boxed{A = -B}##, so \begin{equation}\gamma(y) = A\sinh{n\pi y}.\end{equation} Hence, using the separable solution and summing over all possible (infinite) solutions, we find that \begin{equation}\label{eq:phisol} \boxed{\boxed{ \Delta\phi(x,y) = \lim_{M\rightarrow\infty} \sum_{n=1}^{M} c_n\,\sin{n\pi x}\, \sinh{n\pi y} }},\end{equation} where ##c_n \equiv A_nE_n## and ##M## is simply included for a computational application.

Now, we use 4 to calculate the ##c_n## coefficient. We differentiate \ref{eq:phisol}, apply Fourier's trick (as David J. Griffiths calls it) and hence find that \begin{equation} \label{eq:cnsol} \boxed{ \boxed{ c_n = \frac{ 2 (1 - \cos{ n \pi }) }{ ( n \pi )^2 \cosh{ n \pi } } } }.\end{equation}

Using this solutions, we find that for ##M = 20##, the potential looks like the attached graph.
 

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