Finding a splitting field over Z_13

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The discussion revolves around finding the splitting field of the polynomial x^9-1 over the finite field Z_13. Participants explore the roots of the polynomial and the implications of working within a field structure.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the identification of roots in Z*_13, considering the orders of elements and the implications of subgroup structures. There are inquiries about the process of dividing the polynomial and the nature of roots in a finite field compared to the rational numbers.

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There is ongoing exploration of the polynomial's roots and the methods to find them. Some participants have suggested specific computations and transformations, such as substituting variables to simplify the problem. The discussion reflects a mix of strategies and considerations without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note the characteristics of Z_13 as a field and the potential for repeated roots, contrasting it with the behavior of polynomials over the rationals. There is also mention of the need for additional elements to fully determine the splitting field.

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Homework Statement


Describe the splitting field of x^9-1 over Z_13.

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Well, seeing if any other of {1,...,12} would be some tricky arithmetic. Is my best bet here moving forward to just divide x^9-1 by x-1 since I know 1 is a root and then go from there?

So basically I'm looking for elements in Z*_13 with orders of 1,3 or 9. But there will be no element of order 9 because 9 does not divide 12 ( the order of Z*_13) so I'm looking for all elements of order 3. This makes checking to see if {1,...,12} work much easier.

Also, there since 3 is prime there is a subgroup of order 3, so there are at least 2 elements such that x^3=1 (mod 13). I have found these elements, 3 and 9, therefore I have 3 out of the 9 roots. What do I do from here? Divide x^9-1 by (x-1)(x-3)(x-9) and then divide the quotient by (x-r)? Is there a simpler way?
 
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PsychonautQQ said:

Homework Statement


Describe the splitting field of x^9-1 over Z_13.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, seeing if any other of {1,...,12} would be some tricky arithmetic. Is my best bet here moving forward to just divide x^9-1 by x-1 since I know 1 is a root and then go from there?

So basically I'm looking for elements in Z*_13 with orders of 1,3 or 9. But there will be no element of order 9 because 9 does not divide 12 ( the order of Z*_13) so I'm looking for all elements of order 3. This makes checking to see if {1,...,12} work much easier.

Also, there since 3 is prime there is a subgroup of order 3, so there are at least 2 elements such that x^3=1 (mod 13). I have found these elements, 3 and 9, therefore I have 3 out of the 9 roots. What do I do from here? Divide x^9-1 by (x-1)(x-3)(x-9) and then divide the quotient by (x-r)? Is there a simpler way?
Since ##\mathbb{Z}_{13}## is a field, do you expect any differences as if it was ##\mathbb{Q}##?
##1## is a root, as you've said, and you know what ##(x^9-1):(x-1)## is. What happens if you take a primitive 9-th root of unity, say ##\xi## and consider the powers ##\xi^i##?
 
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fresh_42 said:
Since ##\mathbb{Z}_{13}## is a field, do you expect any differences as if it was ##\mathbb{Q}##?
##1## is a root, as you've said, and you know what ##(x^9-1):(x-1)## is. What happens if you take a primitive 9-th root of unity, say ##\xi## and consider the powers ##\xi^i##?
Yeah, char(Q) = 0 so there will be no repeated roots, here there will be repeated roots. I'm not exactly sure how to reduce a primitive 9-th root of unity mod 13. I'm pretty sure the only roots of x^9-1 in Z_13 are 1,3 and 9 though?
 
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Yeah, char(Q) = 0 so there will be no repeated roots, here there will be repeated roots. I'm not exactly sure how to reduce a primitive 9-th root of unity mod 13. I'm pretty sure the only roots of x^9-1 in Z_13 are 1,3 and 9 though?
Then you should compute ##q(x)=(x-1)(x-3)(x-9)## and ##(x^9-1):q(x)## and see what is left.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Then you should compute ##q(x)=(x-1)(x-3)(x-9)## and ##(x^9-1):q(x)## and see what is left.
q(x) mod 13 is equivalent to x^3-1. (x^9-1)/(x^3-1) = x^6+x^3+1. In hindsight, it really should have been obvious that q(x) would reduce to x^3-1. Anyway, now I'm looking for the roots of f(x)=x^6+x^3+1, and since I've already found all the roots that are in Z*_13, the roots of f(x) must be in a some splitting field. I will now divide f(x) by x-r.

f(x)/(x-r) = x^5+(r)x^4+(r^2)x^3+(r^3)x^2+(r^4)x+r^5. I feel this did not help me very much. Perhaps I should go back and try another strategy at finding the roots of x^6+x^3+1, my gut is telling me something to do with some kind of primitive root of unity. Any insights?
 
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q(x) mod 13 is equivalent to x^3-1. (x^9-1)/(x^3-1) = x^6+x^3+1. In hindsight, it really should have been obvious that q(x) would reduce to x^3-1. Anyway, now I'm looking for the roots of f(x)=x^6+x^3+1, and since I've already found all the roots that are in Z*_13, the roots of f(x) must be in a some splitting field. I will now divide f(x) by x-r.

f(x)/(x-r) = x^5+(r)x^4+(r^2)x^3+(r^3)x^2+(r^4)x+r^5. I feel this did not help me very much. Perhaps I should go back and try another strategy at finding the roots of x^6+x^3+1, my gut is telling me something to do with some kind of primitive root of unity. Any insights?
You will need only one element ##\xi## to adjoint. To split ##x^6+x^3+1## you could temporarily substitute ##y=x^3## and solve the quadratic equation. Since ##2## is a unit, you'll have to find ##2^{-1}## and use the known formula. Also the tables of ##a^2\, , \,a^3## for ##a \in \mathbb{Z}_{13}## are helpful.

If you'll have the final splitting of ##x^9-1## it would be fine to see it so I can compare it with my solution.
 
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