Finding acceleration and tension with static friction check

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Homework Statement


I feel like I've spent way too much time on this problem... So the given information is on the image along with all my work. I am finding the acceleration of the block and the tension in the cable. I know R is going to be the same in all the cords because the pulleys are mass less and we are neglecting friction the pulleys. I first analyzed which way the forces of friction was were applied at each box then I sum of forces in x and y for both blocks but I need to first see if the block is moving. By doing so I used the coefficient of static friction and summed the forces to zero.

So when I solved for P to determine if the block is moving I got -24.55N which is less than 40N, therefore the block is sliding because P <40N.

But the answer to P is -19.04N all my equation are riGht. I verified with the solution key and they match exactly the same but I can't get -19.04N

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  • Handwritten physics work on lined paper, rotated sideways: a pulley-and-block sketch with labelled angle, tension and mass values, a free-body diagram of a block on an incline with friction and normal forces, and equations for summing forces in x and y.
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  • Handwritten physics work on lined paper, rotated sideways: a small free-body diagram of a block on an incline with a pulley, and equations for two force balances, ending with P = -24.55 N and P < 40 N.
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Images are sideways and all but unreadable -- not enough definition/resolution.

Why don't you draw up a larger image and describe the problem and your work in text, in the post (as the forum rules require!)?
 
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Sorry, it's difficult to read your work. It might help if you can take the picture directly overhead instead of an oblique angle. And also turn the page 90 degrees.
 
Well I manage to figure out part A and part B of the question... Still let's discuss why my P force is wrong. Let me retake a few pics.

Better?
 
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  • Handwritten solution on lined paper, rotated sideways: a sketch of two blocks A and B on a pulley system with force P, a free-body diagram of block B with forces T, N, mg and angle theta, and equations for the sum of forces in x and y.
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  • Handwritten free-body diagrams of two blocks, labelled A and B, with tension T, forces FN and FN2, and weights, followed by handwritten equations 1 to 4 and an equation for P with the answer P = -19.6 N.
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  • Handwritten physics solution on lined paper, rotated sideways, showing Equation 1 and Equation 2 for forces on blocks with tension T, friction, and sin/cos terms, plus numeric results for part (a) a = 1.79 m/s^2 and part (b) T = 58.2 N.
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gneill said:
Images are sideways and all but unreadable -- not enough definition/resolution.

Why don't you draw up a larger image and describe the problem and your work in text, in the post (as the forum rules require!)?
Okay I can do that... Next time. :smile:
 
Better but I'll have to rotate my screen to read.
 
gneill said:
Images are sideways and all but unreadable -- not enough definition/resolution.

Why don't you draw up a larger image and describe the problem and your work in text, in the post (as the forum rules require!)?
Not trying to be a smarty pants but that's why you rotate the image and zoom into identify the images and calculatuons.
paisiello2 said:
Better but I'll have to rotate my screen to read.
Let me try to rotate the images...
 
How's that?
 
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  • Handwritten physics solution on lined paper showing a sketch of blocks on an incline with a force F = 40 N, given values, free-body diagrams, and equations for the sum of forces in the x and y directions.
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  • Handwritten physics worked solution on lined paper: small free-body diagrams of a block on an incline at θ = 55°, followed by equations for force balance along x and y, tension T, friction Ff and applied force P, ending with a boxed final answer for P.
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  • Handwritten solution on lined paper showing force equations for two masses, with Equation 1 and Equation 2 and a boxed result for acceleration of 1.79 m/s^2 at 25 degrees and tension of 58.2 N.
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ME_student said:
Not trying to be a smarty pants but that's why you rotate the image and zoom into identify the images and calculatuons.
Hey, you're here for FREE help from volunteer experts. Doing what you can to make their life easier to help you would seem to be the smart play.

That's one reason why the rules require the template format and discourage image-only problem and solution statements. Helpers should not have to work hard to understand the question being posed -- a simple read of the a text problem statement with perhaps a visible embedded image to clarify should be sufficient to grok the situation.

I know that many helpers will simply pass over posts that require too much effort to get to the problem. They prefer to go on to posts where the member has made the effort up front.
 
Starting with block A

Sum of the forces in x direction, right being plus (+)
Equation 1: -T-mu_s*FN1-MU_s*FN2+W_A*sin (25)+Pcos (25)=0
Zero because the block is static.

Sum of the forces in y direction, up being plus (+)
Equation 2: FN1-FN2-W_A*cos (25)+P*cos (25)=0 Now looking at block B

Sum of the forces in y direction
Equation 3: FN2-W_B*cos (25)=0
Zero because we are trying to determine if the blocks will slide.

Sum of the forces in x direction
Equation 4: -T+Fm2+W_b*sin (25)=0

We can now solve for FN2 and T

So once I solve for T and FN2 I use equation 1 and 2 to solve for P
 
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  • Hand-drawn free-body diagrams on graph paper: an incline with blocks A and B and a 25 degree angle, plus a free-body diagram of block A showing T, FN1, FN2, WA, P and Fs, and a kinematic diagram beside it.
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  • Handwritten free-body diagram labeled Block B, showing forces T, WB, FN2 and Fm2 on a tilted block with x and y axes, next to a second sketch of the same block with a MRaB arrow and an equals sign between them.
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Your free body diagrams look good but what exactly is P now? This is some unknown minimum horizontal force required to hold the whole thing in equilibrium?