Finding Critical Points of a multivariable function

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The discussion revolves around finding and classifying critical points of the multivariable function f(x,y) = x²y - x² - 2y² - 2x⁴ - 3y⁴. Participants are exploring the necessary steps to identify critical points through the use of partial derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to find the critical points by calculating the partial derivatives and setting them to zero. They express uncertainty about the classification of critical points and the process of solving for y given x. Other participants suggest solving the system of equations derived from the partial derivatives and discuss the implications of substituting values between the equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing guidance on how to approach solving the system of equations. There is a focus on ensuring that the original poster understands the relationship between the two equations without providing direct solutions.

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The original poster emphasizes a desire to solve the problem independently and seeks only broad guidance, indicating a preference for exploration over direct answers.

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Homework Statement


I'm supposed to find (and classify, which I'm really not sure what that means) critical points of f(x,y) = x2y- x2 - 2y2 - 2x4 - 3y4


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The Attempt at a Solution


I found the partial derivatives,
fx(x,y) = 2xy - 2x - 8x3
and
fy(x,y) = x2 - 4y - 12y3

I gather that x = 0 and x = sqrt(y-1/4)
I can't figure out how to solve for y, if I'm even supposed to.
I was under the impression to set both equations to 0 and solve, but I don't know if I am correct.
I guess my [STRIKE]main[/STRIKE] only question is if I am supposed to take the y solution and use it in the x? I want to solve it 100% on my own, so I only want broad answers, if that makes any sense?

Thanks to anyone who can help me! :)
 
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Hi arisachu! :smile:

arisachu said:

Homework Statement


I'm supposed to find (and classify, which I'm really not sure what that means) critical points of f(x,y) = x2y- x2 - 2y2 - 2x4 - 3y4


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I found the partial derivatives,
fx(x,y) = 2xy - 2x - 8x3
and
fy(x,y) = x2 - 4y - 12y3

I gather that x = 0 and x = sqrt(y-1/4)
I can't figure out how to solve for y, if I'm even supposed to.
I was under the impression to set both equations to 0 and solve, but I don't know if I am correct.
I guess my [STRIKE]main[/STRIKE] only question is if I am supposed to take the y solution and use it in the x? I want to solve it 100% on my own, so I only want broad answers, if that makes any sense?

Thanks to anyone who can help me! :)

You'll need to know when fx and fy simultaniously become 0. So you'll need to solve the system

[tex]\left\{\begin{array}{c} f_x(x,y)=0\\ f_y(x,y)=0\\ \end{array}\right.[/tex]

Thus

[tex]\left\{\begin{array}{c} 2xy - 2x - 8x^3=0\\ x^2 - 4y - 12y^3=0\\ \end{array}\right.[/tex]

From your first equation, you have correctly deduced that x=0 or

[tex]x=\sqrt{\frac{y-1}{4}}[/tex]

Now, what does that give you when you plug that in the second equation?
 
Thanks for you reply and help! :D

Ohhh, so it's as simple as that? :O
And then I solve for [STRIKE]x[/STRIKE] y from that? :)
 
Yes, solve for y in the second equation, and then you can solve for x.
 
micromass said:
Yes, solve for y in the second equation, and then you can solve for x.

Gosh, I had been thinking you solve for y in the second equation without the first equation's x, and then set those two solutions equal to each other and I couldn't for the life of me figure it out!
You're a life (and sanity haha) saver! Thank you so much! :smile:
 

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