Finding derivatives for second order differential equation

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The discussion focuses on deriving a second-order differential equation from three key equations related to an electrical circuit involving inductance, voltage, and current. The equations are: 1) Inductance: L=Lo/(1+I^2), 2) Voltage: V=L*dI/dt, and 3) Current: I=-C*dV/dt. The user seeks assistance in applying the chain rule to find the derivative of voltage, dV/dt, to substitute into the current equation, ultimately aiming to derive the second-order differential equation: d2/dt2=2I(dI/dt)^2/(1+I^2)-I(1+I^2)/Lo*C.

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Homework Statement



Hello,

My first post here

I have a numerical problem for Matlab but I get stuck with the basic math...

For a circuit I have three equations:

1.Inductance: L=Lo/(1+I^2)
2.Voltage over the inductance: V=L*dI/dt
3.Current over a condensator: I=-C*dV/dt




Homework Equations


From this I should be able to derive the second order differential equation:

4. d2/dt2=2I(dI/dt)^2/(1+I^2)-I(1+I^2)/Lo*C

I know I must find the derivative for V, dV/dt and substitute this into I=-C*dV/dt and this should yield equation 4 but I think my derivatives are all wrong!


The Attempt at a Solution


Basically I need help to use the chain rule (i guess?) and finding the derivative for V=L*dI/dt

This is what I got: dV/dt=dI/dt*(-Lo*2I)/(1+I^2)^2+L*d2/dt2*? something is wrong...

Would really appreciate the help!
 
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Thoreau123 said:

Homework Statement



Hello,

My first post here

I have a numerical problem for Matlab but I get stuck with the basic math...

For a circuit I have three equations:

1.Inductance: L=Lo/(1+I^2)
2.Voltage over the inductance: V=L*dI/dt
3.Current over a condensator: I=-C*dV/dt
That's condenser, not condensator. Condensers are usually called capacitors nowadays.


Thoreau123 said:

Homework Equations


From this I should be able to derive the second order differential equation:

4. d2/dt2=2I(dI/dt)^2/(1+I^2)-I(1+I^2)/Lo*C

I know I must find the derivative for V, dV/dt and substitute this into I=-C*dV/dt and this should yield equation 4 but I think my derivatives are all wrong!


The Attempt at a Solution


Basically I need help to use the chain rule (i guess?) and finding the derivative for V=L*dI/dt

This is what I got: dV/dt=dI/dt*(-Lo*2I)/(1+I^2)^2+L*d2/dt2*? something is wrong...

Would really appreciate the help!
 

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