Finding distance for a given value between vectors

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The discussion revolves around finding the values of k for which the distance between two vectors, u = (2,k,1,-4) and v = (3,-1,6,-3), equals 6. The participants are exploring the mathematical implications of the distance formula in the context of vector analysis.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the values of k by applying the distance formula and simplifying the resulting equations. There are questions regarding the correctness of their expansions and calculations, as well as confusion about the nature of the solutions.

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Some participants have provided hints and guidance regarding the mathematical approach, suggesting that a quadratic equation may arise from the problem. There is an acknowledgment of mistakes in the initial expansions and calculations, leading to further exploration of the problem.

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Participants express challenges due to a lack of textbooks and foundational knowledge, which may be affecting their ability to solve the problem effectively. There is also mention of an unorganized answer sheet that adds to the confusion.

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Homework Statement


Let u = (2,k,1,-4) and v = (3,-1,6,-3)

For which values of k is the distance d(u,v) = 6?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



6 = √((3-2)2 + (-1-k)2 + (6-1)2 + (-3-4)2)
6 = √(1 + 1 + k2 + 25 + 21)
6 = √(k2 + 48)
36 = k2 + 48
k = √-12

The answers seem to be 6k, -16k and -k or k= 2 and -4 (the answer sheet makes no sense and is mislabeled and unorganized horrifically) and I don't even have a remote idea how to get multiple solutions. I suppose my whole approach is wrong and I can't for the life of me understand what to do (I'm working without any textbooks)

Kind regards
 
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Lanniakea said:

Homework Statement


Let u = (2,k,1,-4) and v = (3,-1,6,-3)

For which values of k is the distance d(u,v) = 6?

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution



6 = √((3-2)2 + (-1-k)2 + (6-1)2 + (-3-4)2)
6 = √(1 + 1 + k2 + 25 + 21)
6 = √(k2 + 48)
36 = k2 + 48
k = √-12

The answers seem to be 6k, -16k and -k or k= 2 and -4 (the answer sheet makes no sense and is mislabeled and unorganized horrifically) and I don't even have a remote idea how to get multiple solutions. I suppose my whole approach is wrong and I can't for the life of me understand what to do (I'm working without any textbooks)

Kind regards

Remember that ##d(u,v) = ||u-v|| = \sqrt{(u_1-v_1)^2+(u_2-v_2)^2 ... + (u_n - v_n)^2}##, so you're on the right track. Recheck your math.
 
Student100 said:
Remember that ##d(u,v) = ||u-v|| = \sqrt{(u_1-v_1)^2+(u_2-v_2)^2 ... + (u_n - v_n)^2}##, so you're on the right track. Recheck your math.

I redid the working (both d(u,v) and d(v,u) which turn out to be the same so it seems correct this time) and get k = √8

I really have no idea what I'm doing wrong, can you specify where my mistake is? I have a lot more work to catch up on and I'm struggling with the basics...

and by ||u−v|| does this mean the two magnitudes?

So I could solve it by 6 = √(k2+21) - √(55) which gives me k = √2 which is also obviously wrong.

What exactly is my mistake? Am I messing up +/- signs somewhere?
 
Lanniakea said:
I redid the working (both d(u,v) and d(v,u) which turn out to be the same so it seems correct this time) and get k = √8

I really have no idea what I'm doing wrong, can you specify where my mistake is? I have a lot more work to catch up on and I'm struggling with the basics...

and by ||u−v|| does this mean the two magnitudes?

So I could solve it by 6 = √(k2+21) - √(55) which gives me k = √2 which is also obviously wrong.

What exactly is my mistake? Am I messing up +/- signs somewhere?

Your first expansion in the original problem description was wrong, you will get a quadratic which has two solutions.

||u-v|| means the length of some new vector ##\vec{r}## that is the resultant from the vector operation ##\vec{u}-\vec{v}##

My hint is that the expansion of say ##(k+1)^2## is ##(k^2+2k+1)##, not what you're doing. Or ##(k+1)(k+1)=(k+1)^2##
 
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Student100 said:
Your first expansion in the original problem description was wrong, you will get a quadratic which has two solutions.

||u-v|| means the length of some new vector ##\vec{r}## that is the resultant from the vector operation ##\vec{u}-\vec{v}##

My hint is that the expansion of say ##(k+1)^2## is ##(k^2+2k+1)##, not what you're doing. Or ##(k+1)(k+1)=(k+1)^2##

Ah I haven't done any maths in so long I had even forgotten basic factorization, I also thought that (k+1)2 = k2 + 12 for some reason, what a sin of a mistake! Thank you very much my friend.
 
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