Finding dy/dx for y = 4ln3x using the chain rule

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative dy/dx for the function y = 4ln(3x) using the chain rule. Participants are exploring the application of logarithmic properties and differentiation techniques in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of the chain rule and question the differentiation of logarithmic functions, particularly the application of the identity for ln(ax+b). There are attempts to clarify the steps involved in deriving dy/dx and to explore different methods for approaching the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on the differentiation process. Some have pointed out potential errors in calculations, while others suggest alternative approaches using logarithmic identities. There is no explicit consensus on the correct derivative yet.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the logarithmic properties and the chain rule in their calculations. There is a noted confusion regarding the application of the derivative of logarithmic functions, particularly in the context of constants and products within the logarithm.

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Question:y = 4ln3x, find dy/dx


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1. I used the chain rule:

y=4ln u and u =3x

dy/du=4/u THIS IS MY PROBLEM

There is no number between the ln and u, eg. ln4u, so WHY do you use
d/dx ln(ax+b)=a/(ax+b)?

The Attempt at a Solution



y=4ln u and u =3x

dy/du=4/u du/dx=3

dy/dx=12/3x=4x.
 
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If I got it right, you mean [itex]\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}4\log(3x) = 4\frac{d}{dx}\log(3x)[/itex].

Now, it should be already plain obvious to some people what the answer to this is, but in case it isn't, there are two ways to go here. One is to use the fundamental identity of logarithms (how does a logarithm distribute over a product?), and the other is to use the chain rule. Pick whichever you want.
 
your last eqn: dy/dx=12/3x=4x should be = 4/x right?
 
james03 said:
Would like help with this question

Question:y = 4ln3x, find dy/dx


Homework Equations



1. I used the chain rule:

y=4ln u and u =3x

dy/du=4/u THIS IS MY PROBLEM

There is no number between the ln and u, eg. ln4u, so WHY do you use
d/dx ln(ax+b)=a/(ax+b)?

The Attempt at a Solution



y=4ln u and u =3x

dy/du=4/u du/dx=3

dy/dx=12/3x=4x.

dy/du = 4/u
dy/dx = dy/du * du/dx = 4/u * 3 = ?
 
You might also notice that [itex]4\ln(3x)=4(\ln(3)+\ln(x))[/itex]
[itex]=4\ln(3)+4\ln(x)\ .[/itex]​
 

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