Finding E(x^k) for gamma, beta, and lognormal distributions

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The discussion revolves around finding the expected value of the function g(X) = X^k for three different probability distributions: gamma, beta, and lognormal. Participants are exploring the setup of integrals necessary for calculating these expected values.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting up integrals for each distribution but express difficulty in progressing beyond that point. There are attempts to manipulate the integrals for the gamma distribution to utilize known properties of the gamma function. For the lognormal distribution, a change of variables is suggested to simplify the integration process.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress on the gamma distribution and are verifying their results against textbook solutions. Others are exploring substitutions for the lognormal distribution but are encountering challenges with integration. There is a collaborative atmosphere with participants offering hints and suggestions without reaching a consensus on the final answers.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can provide to one another. The discussion reflects a range of understanding and approaches to the problem, highlighting the complexity of integrating functions related to different distributions.

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Homework Statement



Find the expected value of g(X) = Xk for the
a. gamma distribution
b. beta distribution
c. lognormal distribution

Homework Equations



gamma distribution: \frac{x^{\alpha -1}e^{ \frac{-x}{\beta}}}{ \Gamma (\alpha ) \beta ^{\alpha }} with paramenter x>0

beta distribution: \frac{ \Gamma (\alpha + \beta) x^{\alpha -1}(1-x)^{\beta -1}}{\Gamma (\alpha ) \Gamma (\beta )} with paramenter 0<x<1

lognormal distribution: ( \frac{1}{x \sigma \sqrt{2 \pi }}) e^{ \frac{-(lnx-\mu )^2}{2 \sigma y^2}} with parameter x>0

E(X) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \! xf(x) \mathrm{d} x

The Attempt at a Solution



Well I can set up the integrals, but that gets me nowhere.

a. \int_0^{\infty} \! x^k \frac{x^{\alpha -1}e^{ \frac{-x}{\beta}}}{ \Gamma (\alpha ) \beta ^{\alpha }} \mathrm{d} x

b. \int_0^1 \! x^k \frac{ \Gamma (\alpha + \beta) x^{\alpha -1}(1-x)^{\beta -1}}{\Gamma (\alpha ) \Gamma (\beta )} \mathrm{d} x

c. \int_0^{\infty} \! x^k ( \frac{1}{x \sigma \sqrt{2 \pi }}) e^{ \frac{-(lnx-\mu )^2}{2 \sigma y^2}} \mathrm{d} x
 
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ArcanaNoir said:

Homework Statement



Find the expected value of g(X) = Xk for the
a. gamma distribution
b. beta distribution
c. lognormal distribution

Homework Equations



gamma distribution: \frac{x^{\alpha -1}e^{ \frac{-x}{\beta}}}{ \Gamma (\alpha ) \beta ^{\alpha }} with paramenter x>0

beta distribution: \frac{ \Gamma (\alpha + \beta) x^{\alpha -1}(1-x)^{\beta -1}}{\Gamma (\alpha ) \Gamma (\beta )} with paramenter 0<x<1

lognormal distribution: ( \frac{1}{x \sigma \sqrt{2 \pi }}) e^{ \frac{-(lnx-\mu )^2}{2 \sigma y^2}} with parameter x>0

E(X) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \! xf(x) \mathrm{d} x

The Attempt at a Solution



Well I can set up the integrals, but that gets me nowhere.

a. \int_0^{\infty} \! x^k \frac{x^{\alpha -1}e^{ \frac{-x}{\beta}}}{ \Gamma (\alpha ) \beta ^{\alpha }} \mathrm{d} x

Let's do this one first. You will have to use that

\int_0^{\infty} \! \frac{x^{\alpha -1}e^{ \frac{-x}{\beta}}}{ \Gamma (\alpha ) \beta ^{\alpha }} \mathrm{d} x =1

For some alpha and beta. So what you do is

\int_0^{\infty} \! x^k \frac{x^{\alpha -1}e^{ \frac{-x}{\beta}}}{ \Gamma (\alpha ) \beta ^{\alpha }} \mathrm{d} x = \int_0^{\infty} \! \frac{x^{k+\alpha -1}e^{ \frac{-x}{\beta}}}{ \Gamma (\alpha ) \beta ^{\alpha }} \mathrm{d} x

So your alpha in the above integtral will be k+alpha. Now try to adjust the integral in such a way so you can use the above integral. That is, try to have \Gamma(\alpha+k)and \beta^{\alpha+k} in the denominator.
 
Okay, thanks. I'll try that.
 
Hi ArcanaGold!

In addition to what micro said, you may want to use the property of the gamma function that:
\Gamma(z+1)=z \Gamma(z)
 
ArcanaNoir said:
Okay, thanks. I'll try that.

For problem (c), change variables to y = ln(x); that will give you something of the form E[exp(k*Y)] for normally-distributed Y. Do you recognize that quantity? (Hint: I'll bet you have seen it before, or it is in your textbook or course notes. If not, it should be.)

RGV
 
Okay, I got the first one, and according to the book I have the correct solution. Thanks a lot guys :)

For the second one, (the second and third answers are not provided) I got :

\frac{ \Gamma (\alpha ) \Gamma (\alpha + k)}{\Gamma (\alpha + \beta + k) \Gamma (\alpha + \beta )}

I used the same technique, I think that is right.

Then I get stuck on the last one. Since it's x-1 instead of a variable, I'm not sure what substitution to make here.
 
For the lognormal, first make the substitution t=log(x)...
 
\int_0^{\infty} \! x^k ( \frac{1}{ \sigma \sqrt{2 \pi }}) e^{ \frac{-(t-\mu )^2}{2 \sigma y^2}} \mathrm{d} x

where t= ln(x), dt = 1/x

How on Earth am I going to integrate x^k?
 
should I let some other variable, say u, =x^k?
Can you do that, make two substitutions in one integral?
 
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ArcanaNoir said:
\int_0^{\infty} \! x^k ( \frac{1}{ \sigma \sqrt{2 \pi }}) e^{ \frac{-(t-\mu )^2}{2 \sigma y^2}} \mathrm{d} x

where t= ln(x), dt = 1/x

How on Earth am I going to integrate x^k?

My previous post told you exactly what you have to do. Of course, x = exp(t).

RGV
 
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( \frac{1}{ \sigma \sqrt{2 \pi }}) \int_a^{b} \! e^{tk} e^{ \frac{-(t-\mu )^2}{2 \sigma ^2}} \mathrm{d} t

the (new) current integral
 
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To get started on the exponent...

tk - {(t-\mu)^2 \over 2 \sigma^2}<br /> = {2tk\sigma^2 - (t-\mu)^2 \over 2 \sigma^2}<br /> = {2tk\sigma^2 - t^2 + 2t\mu - \mu^2 \over 2 \sigma^2}<br /> = {- (t^2 - 2t(k\sigma^2 - \mu) + (k\sigma^2 - \mu)^2) + (k\sigma^2 - \mu)^2 - \mu^2 \over 2 \sigma^2}<br /> = {- (t - (k\sigma^2 - \mu))^2 + (k\sigma^2 - \mu)^2 - \mu^2 \over 2 \sigma^2}

Now substitute u=t - (k\sigma^2 - \mu).
 

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