Finding equations for simple harmonic motion given a graph

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The discussion centers on deriving equations for simple harmonic motion using a pendulum in an elevator, where the effective gravity changes due to the elevator's acceleration. Key points include the relationship between angular displacement, period, and tension, with maximum tension occurring at the equilibrium point. The participants emphasize the importance of clarity in notation, particularly distinguishing between variables like angle and position. There is some debate about the necessity of certain derivatives and whether the exercise requires effective gravity values instead. Overall, the conversation highlights the conceptual challenges in understanding harmonic motion in varying gravitational contexts.
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The picture shows a graph of amplitude (measured in degrees) vs time (measured in seconds) for a pendulum disturbed by different accelerations.
1) Draw the free body diagram of the pendulum in a situtation where this could happen.
2) Find the acceleration for the different periods.
3) When and in which period is the maximun and minimun tension?
4) Find ##\theta (t)## for the region of minimun period and for the following initial conditions: ##\theta _0 =10°##, ##v_o=0.1 rad/s##
Relevant Equations
##x(t)=A.sin(\omega .t)##
Well, this is a problem which makes you think more about concepts than numbers, so I want to see if I've done it correctly.

1) I draw a simple pendulum in an elevator, where you have weight, tension and a pseudo-force. In this situation the effective gravity may be changing due to different accelerations of the elevator so this makes the period change.

2) ##\theta (t)=A.sin(\omega . t)## so differentiating you'll get ##\ddot \theta (t)=-A \omega ^2 sin (\omega .t)##
In this case ##A=\frac{\pi}{180}## and ##\omega## can be easily found knowing the period, then the frequency and then ##\omega##. So you'll get three expressions which will be different just in ##\omega##. I didn't consider ##\phi## because the motion starts at 0

3) The maximun tension is always in the equilibrium point. Then if we think about the situation of the elevator, in this point ##T=mg+f*## where ##f*## is the pseudo-force due to the acceleration of the elevator. Then, if the gravity "is heavier" the period will be minimum, so the tension will be maximum when the period is the smallest.
On the other hand, the tension will be weaker when the pendulum is in the extreme point and when the gravity is "lighter", so when the period is the longest.
4) ##\theta (t) =A.cos(\omega .t + \phi)##. So you have to find ##A## and ##\phi##.
You use ##A=\sqrt{x_0 ^2 +\frac{\dot x_0^2}{\omega^2}}## and ##\phi=arctg(-\frac{\dot x_0}{\omega x_0})##.
So you get the values and replace them.
 

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##A=\frac{\pi}{180}##
Looks to me as if ##A=1## ?
 
BvU said:
Looks to me as if ##A=1## ?
Yes, but that's ##1°## and I used radians
 
You can confuse everybody by blacking out axis titles :smile: and using ##x()## and ##\theta()## to denote the same variable ...
Introducing ##\phi## out of the blue doesn't help readers either (don't bother, I know what you mean).

2) you sure the composer of the exercise wants ##\ddot\theta## and not the three effective g values ?

3)
Like Tony Stark said:
The maximum tension is always in the equilibrium point.
yes.
Then if we think about the situation of the elevator, in this point ##T=mg+f*##
You can write ##T = mg'## where ##g'## is the effective g value. But ##T## is that only if the amplitude is zero and the amplitude is not zero...
So: I don't think 3) is OK.

4) I really wish you wouldn't mix up ##x## and ##\theta## as well as ##v_0, ##\dot\theta_0## and ##\dot x_0## so much. But what I reverse-engineer looks OK.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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