Finding forces acting on spring/pulley system

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The discussion focuses on analyzing the forces acting on a spring-pulley system, specifically the relationship between spring extension and the weight of a hanging block. Key equations include Hooke's Law (F = -kd) and the weight equation (w = mg). Participants emphasize the importance of understanding equilibrium conditions, where the sum of forces must equal zero. Clarifications are made regarding third law pairs, highlighting that the forces exerted by the rope on the block and the block on the rope are not the same as those between the rope and the spring.

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Homework Statement



There is a spring attached to a hanging block by a rope over a pulley, with a stop on the other end. Using basic physics principles, determine the relationship between spring extension and weight of the block.

Homework Equations


F=-kd
w=mg

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that if the system is in equilibrium, the sum of forces acting on the block/spring should be zero. Also, since the force of the rope on the block and the force of the rope on the spring are third law pairs, they should be equal in magnitude but in opposite directions. Not quite sure where to go from here though.
 
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uglies1992 said:

Homework Statement



There is a spring attached to a hanging block by a rope over a pulley, with a stop on the other end. Using basic physics principles, determine the relationship between spring extension and weight of the block.

Homework Equations


F=-kd
w=mg

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that if the system is in equilibrium, the sum of forces acting on the block/spring should be zero. Also, since the force of the rope on the block and the force of the rope on the spring are third law pairs, they should be equal in magnitude but in opposite directions. Not quite sure where to go from here though.

Not like this.

Hint: First consider the axle of the pulley as the system and not the whole pulley. Consider equilibrium of spring and axle of pulley. What equation can you make for this ?
 
uglies1992 said:

Homework Statement



There is a spring attached to a hanging block by a rope over a pulley, with a stop on the other end. Using basic physics principles, determine the relationship between spring extension and weight of the block.

Homework Equations


F=-kd
w=mg

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that if the system is in equilibrium, the sum of forces acting on the block/spring should be zero. Also, since the force of the rope on the block and the force of the rope on the spring are third law pairs, they should be equal in magnitude but in opposite directions. Not quite sure where to go from here though.
Hello uglies1992 . Welcome to PF !

The force of the rope on the block and the force of the rope on the spring are not a third law pair .

The force of the rope on the block and the force of the block on the rope is a third law pair .

Similarly, the force of the spring on the block and the force of the spring on the rope is a third law pair .

There are also the force of the rope on the pulley and the force of the pulley on the rope to consider.
 
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