Finding Fourier Coefficients: 0's and Questions

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The discussion revolves around finding Fourier coefficients for a given signal, with participants exploring the calculations and reasoning behind their results. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to Fourier analysis.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports consistently obtaining 0 for the Fourier coefficients, including F0, despite the expectation of a non-zero value due to the area under the curve.
  • Another participant challenges the natural frequency calculation, suggesting that the correct natural frequency should be 2π/T rather than 4π/T, based on the period being T/2.
  • There is a discussion about the function f(t) being sin(2πt/T) and its implications for the oscillation behavior over the specified period.
  • A participant expresses confusion over obtaining infinity for F1 and notes issues with the denominator in their calculations for odd n, questioning the correctness of their results.
  • One participant asserts that all sine terms should vanish since the function is even, prompting a request for more detailed calculations to identify potential mistakes.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to consider cases for n=±1 separately, indicating that the integrand changes in these instances and affects the evaluation of the integral.
  • There is a discussion on the symmetry of the amplitude spectra and its relation to the coefficients for odd n, with some participants questioning the implications of this symmetry.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the necessity of evaluating integrals differently for specific cases to avoid division by zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and interpretations of the Fourier coefficients, with no consensus reached on the correct approach or results. Multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the treatment of specific cases in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in their calculations, including assumptions about the function's symmetry and the handling of specific integral cases. There are unresolved mathematical steps that contribute to the ongoing debate.

magnifik
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I am trying to find the Fourier coefficients for the following signal:
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For some reason, I keep getting 0, which doesn't make sense to me.

I am even getting 0 for F0 even though there is clearly area under the curve. Here's my work for this part:
Period = T/2
Natural freq = 4pi/T
F0 = (2/T) int[sin(4pi/T)t dt] from 0 to T/2
= (1/2pi) [cos(4pi/T)t] from 0 to T/2
= 0

I am getting 0 for Fn as well. Any help would be appreciated!
 
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The sinusoid finishes a half of a cycle every T/2, and a complete cycle is 2pi. Thus,

[tex]\frac{2 \pi}{2} = \frac{\omega T}{2}[/tex]
[tex]\omega =\frac{2 \pi}{T}\neq \frac{4 \pi}{T}[/tex]
 
tedbradly said:
The sinusoid finishes a half of a cycle every T/2, and a complete cycle is 2pi. Thus,

[tex]\frac{2 \pi}{2} = \frac{\omega T}{2}[/tex]
[tex]\omega =\frac{2 \pi}{T}\neq \frac{4 \pi}{T}[/tex]

I see. What I thought was that the natural frequency is equal to 2pi/T (general equation), but since the period is from 0 to T/2 then the period is T/2. So i did 2pi/(T/2) = 4pi/T
 
Your function should be f(t)=sin 2πt/T. When t=T/2, the argument of the sine will be π, so it will have gone through a half cycle. Your function goes through a complete oscillation from 0 to T/2.
 
using f(t) = sin 2πt/T, i am getting infinity for F1

i got Fn = (-1/2pi(1-n))((-1)n - 1) - (1/pi(1+n))((-(-1)n - 1)

and plugging in 1, for the first part of the equation i am getting 0 in the denominator. i am also finding that for every odd n i am getting 0. this can't be correct, i assume?
 
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Nope. You should find all the sine terms vanish since f(t) is an even function. If you can't figure it out, post more details of your calculation so we can see where the mistake is.
 
My calculations

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You have to consider the cases for n=±1 separately. For example, when n=1, the integrand of the first integral is just 1, so the integral is equal to T/2.
 
vela said:
You have to consider the cases for n=±1 separately. For example, when n=1, the integrand of the first integral is just 1, so the integral is equal to T/2.

is it possible to use the fact that Fn = 0 for odd n when f(t) = f(t+T/2)?? I'm not sure what you mean when you say you have to consider the cases for +1 separately since i thought the amplitude spectra is symmetric

when i do the coefficients for n = 3, 5, etc...i am getting 0
 
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magnifik said:
is it possible to use the fact that Fn = 0 for odd n when f(t) = f(t+T/2)??
Sure. Why not?
i'm not sure what you mean when you say you have to consider the cases for +1 separately since i thought the amplitude spectra is symmetric
Simply put, you can't divide by 0, so the way you integrated was incorrect. You have to evaluate the integral differently in those cases. It's just like you can't say

[tex]\int x^n\,dx = \frac{x^{n+1}}{n+1}+c[/tex]

when n=-1. You have to consider the n=-1 case separately. The way you integrated works when n doesn't equal 1 or -1. For those particular cases, you have to evaluate the integrals differently.
 

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