Finding Lever Lengths With Overall Mechanical Advantage

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The discussion revolves around calculating the lengths of the effort and load arms of a lever given a specific mechanical advantage and total length of the lever. The context involves understanding the relationships between forces and arm lengths in lever mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between mechanical advantage and arm lengths, with attempts to manipulate equations to isolate variables. Questions arise regarding the correctness of algebraic steps and the interpretation of the mechanical advantage formula.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning each other's reasoning and algebraic manipulations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the hierarchy of operations in mathematical expressions, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to isolate the load arm.

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Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings of algebraic manipulation and the implications of mechanical advantage, which may be affecting their ability to arrive at a solution. There is an emphasis on ensuring clarity in the mathematical relationships involved.

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Homework Statement


If the mechanical advantage of a lever is, let's say, 10; the forces pushing down on the effort arm equate to 100kg and the forces pushing down on the load arm equate to 1000kg and the lever itself is 5 meters, how do we go about finding the individual arm lengths (i.e. the length of the effort/lever arm).

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The Attempt at a Solution


Here's what I'm thinking.
MA = 10
Simultaneously,
MA = Effort Arm / Load Arm
10 = Effort Arm / Load Arm
Load Arm * 10 = Effort Arm
Load Arm + Load Arm * 10 = Effort Arm + Load Arm
2Load Arm * 10 = 5
2Load Arm = 5/10
Load Arm = 0.5

True or false?
 
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Wolfowitz said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's what I'm thinking.
MA = 10
Simultaneously,
MA = Effort Arm / Load Arm
10 = Effort Arm / Load Arm
Load Arm * 10 = Effort Arm
Load Arm + Load Arm * 10 = Effort Arm + Load Arm

It is correct up to here, but how did you get the following?
Wolfowitz said:
2Load Arm * 10 = 5

1(load arm)+10 (load arm) = ? (load arm) ?

If you add one apple to 10 apples will you get 2*10 =20 apples?

ehild
 
Then how would you isolate the load arm?
 
11 * load arm = effort arm + load arm?
load arm = effort arm + load arm / 11?
 
Wolfowitz said:
11 * load arm = effort arm + load arm?
load arm = effort arm + load arm / 11?
No, it is wrong. Division by 11 in your formula refers to the load arm only.
Use parentheses: length of load arm =(length of effort arm+length of load arm)/11, that is, 5/11 m.

Remember the hierarchy of operations: First perform everything in the parentheses. Otherwise perform multiplication/division first then the addition/subtraction.

ehild
 

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