Finding minimum distance between two points on two different parabolas

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The discussion revolves around a problem in Differential Calculus involving the minimization of distance between two points located on two different parabolas, specifically defined by the equations y = x² and y = -(4-x)².

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to set up a distance equation based on points on each parabola but expresses uncertainty about differentiating with two variables. Some participants suggest minimizing the square of the distance instead.
  • One participant shares a test case to evaluate the distance between specific points on the parabolas, raising questions about the validity of the original poster's results.
  • There is a discussion about the understanding of partial differentiation and its application in this context, with the original poster expressing confusion about the concept.

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Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, with some guidance provided on using partial derivatives. The original poster has received feedback on their calculations, indicating potential errors, but the discussion remains open without a clear consensus on the correct approach.

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The original poster is in their first semester of calculus and is concerned about adhering to homework guidelines that specify using material covered in class. There is also a mention of challenges in typing mathematical equations in the forum.

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Hi everyone. I've got a homework problem with Differential Calculus that drives me crazy for a couple of days so far and would like to ask you guys for a few suggestions

Homework Statement


Given two parabolas, (C1): y = x2 and (C2): y = - (4-x)2. Find two points, each point on one parabola so that the distance between them is smallest.


Homework Equations


The distance equation (I think)


The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I called the point on (C1) (x1, y1), the other point (x2, y2). After that, I set up the distance equation and replace both y(s) with their respective x(s) as follow:

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After that I got stuck ... since I don't know how to differentiate an equation with two variables. Here I need to find the minimum of d, which is the distance between the two points.
I wonder if my approach to the problem is wrong or what. Any suggestion is highly appreciated. Thank you.

And just a small question: I see lots of people type equations in our forum directly. Could you please show me how to do this? Every time I need to type a math formula, I have to open Word and it took me lots of time :( Thanks again.
 
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To minimize with respect to 2 variables, you just take the partial derivative of d with respect to x1, set it to 0, then take the partial derivative with respect to x2 and set that to 0. However, it's easier to minimize d^2, because you don't have to deal with the square root.

And just a small question: I see lots of people type equations in our forum directly. Could you please show me how to do this? Every time I need to type a math formula, I have to open Word and it took me lots of time :( Thanks again.

PF supports LaTex. See this for a tutorial: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dwilkins/LaTeXPrimer/

With simple expressions, it's usually easier to write them without LaTex.
 
Thank you very much for your clear suggestion. Actually, I don't know what in the world is partial differentiation (I'm just in my first semester of calculus ^^), so I just googled it and I get it now. Basically, I think it looks just like implicit differentiation. Anyway, after doing as you instructed, I got to this point:

(x12 + (x2 - 4)2) (x2 - 4 + x1) = 0

Solving the first part of the equation, I got x1 = 0 and x2 = 4. I usually trust myself but in this case, it seems a little bit weird. Does that mean the line segment between the two vertices (actually it's on the x-axis too!) is the shortest one? If you had some time, would you please take a look at it? Somehow I doubt this result ... sorry for the trouble and thank you once again.

And by the way, is there any other way to solve this problem? I doubt my instructor will get irritated if I turn in something that is solved by using the second-semester material ... he told us to do this by using what we learned in the section Optimization Problem of the Applications of Differentiation chapter.
 
Try a test case:

I picked x1 = 1 resulting in (1,1)1 and x2 = 4 resulting in (4,0)2. The distance between those two points is 101/2 (squareroot of 10). That is less than 4 using (0,0)(1) to (4,0)(2) which are the points you found.
 
I see, so my results were wrong after all hmm
I tried to differentiate again but I didn't find any errors.
Any other suggestions please, thank you.
 

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