Finding Perpendicular Vectors in R^4 Using Gaussian Elimination

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The discussion revolves around finding all vectors in R^4 that are perpendicular to three given column vectors: [1 1 1 1], [1 2 3 4], and [1 9 9 7]. Participants explore methods such as Gaussian elimination and the use of dot products to establish perpendicularity.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to create a fourth vector and calculate its dot product with the three given vectors to form a system of equations. There is mention of substituting values into the equations to explore potential solutions.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights into forming equations from the dot products and the implications of those equations. There is an acknowledgment that the three given vectors are not mutually perpendicular, and the discussion is ongoing with various interpretations of the problem being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem involves four unknowns and three equations, suggesting a potential one-dimensional subspace in R^4. There is also a mention of constraints regarding the choice of components in the equations to simplify the solution process.

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Find all vectors in R^4 that are perpendicular to the three coloumn vectors

[1 1 1 1], [1 2 3 4], [1 9 9 7]

sorry i don't know how to make them vertical

guassian elimination or Ax=b


I know that the dot product must equal 0 but I am not sure how to solve it
 
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You have three vectors. Invent a fourth vector...

[x1 x2 x3 x4]

Take the dot product of your three vectors with this fourth vector. You'll end up with three equations and four unknowns.
 
ok so you get x1 +18x2+27x3+28x4
plug in 1 for x 4 -1 for x3 0 for x2 and -1 for x

so some constant multipled by[-1 0 -1 1]
 
Punkyc7 said:
ok so you get x1 +18x2+27x3+28x4
plug in 1 for x 4 -1 for x3 0 for x2 and -1 for x1

so some constant multipled by[-1 0 -1 1]
[-1 0 -1 1] is perpendicular to [1 2 3 4], but not perpendicular to the other two.

If [x1 x2 x3 x4] is perpendicular to [1 1 1 1],
then [x1 x2 x3 x4]·[1 1 1 1] = 0. As Char. Limit points out, that gives you one equation (in 4 unknowns), in this case: x1+x2+x3+x4=0 .

Do the same for the for the other two, ([1 2 3 4] and [1 9 9 7])Then use elimination, or some other method to get one equation with two unknowns. You are free pick one component, but choosing it wisely will make the other components work out nicely.

By the way, the 3 given vectors are not mutually perpendicular.

 
As other people pointed out, do the dot product for all three vectors and you'll get a system of 4 unknowns and 3 equations whose answer is most likely a 4-3=1-dimensional subspace of R^4. The answer should be a line.
 

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