Finding potential at a point due to line of charge.

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The discussion revolves around finding the electric potential at a specific point due to a continuous line of charge with a defined charge density. The charge density is given as 12 nC/m, and the point of interest is located at A(0,0,2). The problem involves understanding the implications of defining zero potential at infinity.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of electric potential using the electric field derived from the line charge. There is a discussion about the nature of the line charge and its implications on the potential, particularly questioning whether the line is infinite and how that affects the potential calculation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the calculations and assumptions made in the original poster's approach. There is a recognition of the potential being finite despite the infinite nature of the line charge, and questions are raised about the validity of the reference point for potential. The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored.

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Participants note that the definition of zero potential at infinity leads to complexities in determining the potential at the specified point. There is also mention of the potential being indeterminate under certain conditions, which adds to the confusion regarding the expected outcome.

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Homework Statement



Find the potential at the point A(0,0,2) due to a continuous line of charge with charge density 12nC/m on the line y=2.5, z=0. Zero potential is defined as that infinitely far away.

In this question, I'll denote the charge density by p, the point for which the potential is measured as z, and the line of charge as y=c.

Homework Equations



[tex]V_A = - \int^A_\infty \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{L}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, so the book says that the potential can be found by carrying a unit charge from infinity to the given point along any path we choose. So I'll just apply the formula:

[tex]V_A = - \int^A_\infty \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{L}[/tex]

Here's what I did:

The differential electric field due to a charged segment dx is given by

[tex]d\vec{E} = \frac{qdx(\vec{r} - \vec{r'})}{4\pi \varepsilon_0 |\vec{r} - \vec{r'}|^3}[/tex]
[tex]\vec{r} - \vec{r'} = \left(\begin{array}{cc}-x\\-c\\z\end{array} \right)[/tex]
[tex]|\vec{r} - \vec{r'}|^3 = (x^2+c^2+z^2)^{3/2}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{p}{4\pi \varepsilon_0} \frac{dx}{(x^2+c^2+z^2)^{3/2}} \left(\begin{array}{cc}-x\\-c\\z\end{array} \right)[/tex]

By symmetrical considerations, E in x direction is 0, so I'll let x above = 0.
Integrating [tex]d\vec{E}[/tex] over dx from [tex]-\infty \ \mbox{to} \ \infty[/tex] gives E:

[tex]\vec{E} = \frac{p}{4\pi \varepsilon_0} \int^\infty_{-\infty} -\frac{c \ dx}{(x^2+c^2+z^2)^{3/2}} \mbox{j} + \frac{z \ dx}{(x^2 + c^2 + z^2)^{3/2}} \mbox{k}[/tex]

This works out, using the online integrator, as

[tex]\vec{E} = \frac{p}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \cdot \left[ -\frac{cx}{(z^2+c^2)\sqrt{z^2+c^2+x^2}} \right]^\infty_{-\infty} \mbox{j} + \left[ -\frac{zx}{(z^2+c^2)\sqrt{z^2+c^2+x^2}} \right]^\infty_{-\infty} \mbox{k}[/tex]

Taking the limits yield:

[tex]\vec{E} = \frac{p}{4\pi \varepsilon_0} \cdot \frac{2}{c^2 + z^2} \left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\-c\\z\end{array} \right)[/tex]

Now applying the formula yields:

[tex]V_A = -\int^A_\infty \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{L}[/tex]
[tex]= - \int^A_\infty \frac{p}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \frac{2}{z^2+c^2} \left(\begin{array}-0\\-c\\z\end{array} \right) \cdot \left(\begin{array}{cc}dx\\dy\\dz\end{array}\right)[/tex]
[tex]=-\frac{p}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \left[ \int^0_\infty -\frac{2c}{z^2+c^2} dy + \int^z_\infty \frac{2z}{z^2 + c^2} dz \right][/tex]

This gives:
[tex]-\frac{p}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} ln|z^2 + c^2|[/tex]

Substituting the values of c,z and p gives the answer as -251.3V whereas the actual answer is 67.4V. Where's my mistake?
 
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I'm confused. Is this a infinite straight line of constant charge density? If this is the case, then the electric field varies inversely with distance from the line. So the potential should be infinite...
 
The question states:

If we take the zero reference for potential at infinity, find the potential at (0,0,2) caused by this charge configutation in free space: (c)12nC/m on the line y=2.5, z=0.

Ans: 67.4V

So I assumed that the line would be infinite. But somehow the answer is finite.
 
Hi guys, really sorry to have to drag up this thread. But I came by this question while doing my revision and it turns out that so long as 0 potential is defined as at infinity, the answer would be indeterminate. I would post the working but it's a little tedious and instead of the method above, I simply evaluated the potential directly. I also found this:
[URL]http://physics.tamuk.edu/~suson/html/1402/potential.html said:
Recall[/URL] that earlier I said that it is common to take the reference potential, Va, to be located at infinity, so that Va = 0. In this case, if we take r = [tex]\infty[/tex], instead of getting Va = 0 (as we would want) we would find Va = [tex]\infty[/tex]. Thus to have Va = 0, we must take some arbitrary distance r = a

So I'd like the experts to confirm if this is indeed correct.
 
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