Finding potential difference between two points in a ladder circuit

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The discussion revolves around finding the potential difference between two points in a ladder circuit, specifically calculating ##V_A - V_B## using Kirchhoff's laws and circuit analysis techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss assigning potentials to junctions and the flow of currents through resistances. There is a focus on applying Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) and Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) to derive necessary equations. Questions arise regarding the choice of reference nodes and the use of supernodes.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered guidance on using KCL and suggested writing node equations for supernodes. There are ongoing questions about the correctness of approaches and the need for further elaboration on certain concepts, indicating a collaborative exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of circuit symmetry and the arrangement of resistors, as well as the potential complexity introduced by multiple sources in the circuit. There is a mention of specific circuit configurations that may simplify the analysis.

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Homework Statement


Find the potential difference ##V_A– V_B## for the circuit shown in the figure.
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Homework Equations


Kirchhoff's laws.

The Attempt at a Solution


If we assign potentials to junctions starting by setting ##A=0## Current ##i_1## flow through each vertical resistances and ##i_2 ## through slant resistances. B has potential ##i_1+2## and there exist a relation ## 1+i_2+i_1=0## between ##i_1## and ##i_2##. I need one more equation. In which loop should I apply KVL. Is there a better way to approach this ?
 
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You might try working with some junctions (KCL).
 
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How exactly ? Could you please elaborate ?
 
Choose A as the reference node. You have two supernodes, one associated with B and the other A (the reference node). Write a node equation for supernode B.
 
Have I proceeded correctly ?
 
arutor said:
How exactly ? Could you please elaborate ?
Consider the 4 emf's along the bottom. In terms of ##i_1## and ##i_2##, how much current is in the emf next to point A? Then how much current is in the next emf as you move to the left along the bottom of the circuit. Keep going for all 4 emf's along the bottom. This should get you another relation between the two currents.

Your relation ##1+i_1+i_2 = 0## looks correct for a particular choice of current directions.

I don't know what a supernode is, but gneill's suggestion might get you to the answer quicker.
 
KCL will surely give you the answer. But you need not consider all the 8 sources.
Replace the vertical 1Ω below point B with a parallel combination of two 2Ω resistors and cut the circuit into two halves at point B such that each 2Ω resistor is on either half. Now, you have two circuits with 4 sources in each. Use the one containing both A and B(i.e. discard the left circuit). It will be easier. This is possible because of the symmetry of the circuit w.r.t. point B.
 
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