Finding Solutions to a Complex Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation (z+1)^5 = z^5, which involves complex numbers and polynomial equations. Participants are exploring the nature of the roots and the methods for finding solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the expansion of the equation and the resulting polynomial, questioning the effectiveness of factoring and other methods. Some suggest considering the graphical representation of the functions involved to understand the roots better. Others propose rewriting the equation in a different form to simplify the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various approaches being suggested, including numerical approximations and transformations of the equation. Some participants have provided insights into potential methods for solving the quartic equation that arises from the original problem.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the complexity of finding exact solutions versus numerical approximations, and some participants express uncertainty about the existence of real roots. The discussion includes references to specific methods and transformations that may aid in solving the equation.

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Homework Statement



Solve (z+1)^5 = z^5

Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



z^5 + 5z^4 + 10z^3 + 10z^2 + 5z + 1 = z^5
5z^4 + 10z^3 + 10z^2 + 5z + 1 = 0
5z^3(z + 2) + 5z(2z + 1) = -1

I'm not quite sure how to go about solving this. Expanding, canceling terms, and then factoring doesn't get me anywhere.
 
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ƒ(x) said:
Solve (z+1)^5 = z^5
It's clear that there are no real roots: consider the graphs of (x+1)^5 and x^5 for real x. Are you looking for an exact solution or a numerical approximation? For an exact solution, you'll have to solve a quartic equation, which can be done but it's fairly ugly.
 
ƒ(x) said:

Homework Statement



Solve (z+1)^5 = z^5

Homework Equations



None

The Attempt at a Solution



z^5 + 5z^4 + 10z^3 + 10z^2 + 5z + 1 = z^5
5z^4 + 10z^3 + 10z^2 + 5z + 1 = 0
5z^3(z + 2) + 5z(2z + 1) = -1

I'm not quite sure how to go about solving this. Expanding, canceling terms, and then factoring doesn't get me anywhere.
Play with it.

5z4 + 10z3 + 10z2 + 5z + 1
=5(z4 + 2z3 + 2z2 + z) + 1

=5(z4 + 2z3 + z2 + z2 + z) + 1

=5( (z2 + z)2 + (z2 + z) ) + 1

=5 (z2 + z)2 + 5 (z2 + z) + 1


Let u = z2 + z .

You have a quadratic equation in u .

Solve for u, then solve u = z2 + z for z.

Added in Edit:

See Dick's method in the next post. Sweet!
 
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Or just write your equation as (\frac{z+1}{z})^5=1. That tells you 1+1/z is a fifth root of unity. It's pretty easy from there.
 

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