Finding Tangent and Perpendicular Vectors on a 2D Graph

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding tangent and perpendicular vectors to the graph of the function f(x) = e^(3x) + sin(2x) + 3x + 1 at the point (0, 2). Participants explore the mathematical concepts related to derivatives and vector representation in the context of 2D graphs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to find the derivative of the function to determine the slope of the tangent line. There is mention of using parametric equations for lines and the confusion surrounding the graph of f(x). Some participants question the best method to represent the tangent and normal vectors.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the general equation of a line and parametric forms. There is an ongoing exploration of how to construct the tangent and normal vectors, with one participant reporting a successful attempt at finding these vectors. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approaches discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of their current class material, which emphasizes parametric equations for lines. There is also a focus on ensuring that the vectors are represented correctly rather than just the equations of the lines.

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Homework Statement



f (x) = e^(3x) + sin(2x) + 3x +1

(a) Find a vector V that is tangent to the graph of y = f(x) at the point ( 0, 2).
(b) Find a vector N that is perpendicular to the graph of y = f(x) at the point ( 0, 2).

2. The attempt at a solution

The first step I took is to find the derivative of the function, since the problem is asking for a tangent at a point.

I got this: f'(x) = 3e^(3x) + 2cos(2x) + 3

However, I am unsure how to continue. The graph of "y = f(x)" is kind of confusing. I am thinking of maybe somehow getting parametric equations for the tangent line, which would allow me to build a vector. But I am unsure how to do this.
 
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Hi Zdravko,

You need to use the general equation of a straight line -what is it? ehild
 
Well, the general equations would be y=mx+b
However, at this point in the class, we are only using parametrics for lines.

In other words, the only lines we have built so far (involving vectors) have been in this format:

x = a + bt
y = a + bt
etc...
 
ZdravkoBG said:
Well, the general equations would be y=mx+b
However, at this point in the class, we are only using parametrics for lines.

In other words, the only lines we have built so far (involving vectors) have been in this format:

x = a + bt
y = a + bt
etc...

It is easier to use the first equation. But for both methods, you know one point of the line: (0,2), and need the
the slope m or the tangent vector of the line: For that, evaluate f''(x) = 3e^(3x) + 2cos(2x) + 3 at x=0.

ehild
 
I think I got it.

I found the slope of the tangent line at x=0 to be 8.
After that, I constructed a vector from point (0,2) to next point on tangent line (1,10).
That vector is V = <1,8> which satisfies the first part of the problem.

For the second part, I built the equation of the line: y=8x+2

Then I saw in my notes that if put in standard form (-8x + y = 2), the "a" and "b" are the vector perpendicular to the line.

So the normal vector to V would be N = <-8,1> .

Is this correct?
 
It is correct. I just noticed that you needed the vectors instead of equations of lines, tangent or perpendicular to the curve.
You did it right: a tangent vector to f(x) is (vx,vy)=(1, f'(x)), and a normal vector is ((nx,ny)=(-f'(x), 1).
Anyway, the vectors ( a,b) and (-b, a) are perpendicular to each other. (what is the scalar product of two vectors if they are perpendicular?)

ehild
 
I forgot about that method to check. The scalar/dot product of the two perpendicular vectors should be 0. Thanks for all the help!
 
ZdravkoBG said:
I forgot about that method to check. The scalar/dot product of the two perpendicular vectors should be 0. Thanks for all the help!

You are welcome :smile:

ehild
 

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