Finding the Area of an Analytical Geometry Shape

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the area of a shape in analytical geometry using integrals, and the exploration of a potential equation for the nth area as the size of the shape changes. Participants examine sequences derived from calculated areas and discuss the existence of a general formula for the nth term.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a sequence of areas calculated as (4/3), (32/3), (108/3) and seeks an equation for the nth area.
  • Another participant notes that dividing the sequence by 4/3 yields a simpler sequence of 1, 8, 27, suggesting a potential relationship.
  • A third participant cautions that a simple relation in the first few terms of a sequence does not guarantee that the same relation holds for subsequent terms, referencing a classical problem involving points on a circle.
  • The original poster acknowledges this caution and inquires about methods to prove the existence or non-existence of a formula for the nth term, mentioning mathematical induction as a possible approach.
  • A later reply discusses using a graphing calculator to plot the points and suggests that the relationship appears to be a power function, proposing an equation A=(4/3)(n^3) based on the plotted data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of a general formula for the nth term of the sequence, with some suggesting potential relationships while others highlight the complexities and limitations of such sequences. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of the proposed formula.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the applicability of mathematical induction and other methods to establish the existence of a formula for the nth term. There is also a recognition that the initial terms of a sequence may not reflect the behavior of the sequence at larger values.

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My friend was doing an analytical geometry problem and a shape appeared that I wanted to find the area of with my new knowledge of integrals. I found the area and I'm now working to find an equation for the nth area as the size of the shape changes for all integers. After doing the math I come to this sequence, (4/3), (32/3), (108/3). I stopped at the third solution because the math is a little time consuming and repetitive. Is there an equation that will represent the nth solution? Just hoping to get some help. Thanks.
 
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hi kevinnn! :smile:

i've no idea what your area is,

but if you divide your numbers by 4/3, you get 1, 8, 27 :wink:
 
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You should understand that, just because the first few terms of a sequence have a simple relation, it is not necessary that the rest of the sequence have that relation. The classical example is the "circle region" problem: Place n points around the circumference of a circle, NOT uniformly spaced, so that when you draw all lines connecting any two of those points, no more than two such lines intersect in a single point. How many sectors does that divide the interior of the circle into?

n= 0; 1. n= 2; 2. n= 3; 4. n= 4; 8. n= 5; 16, n= 6; 32. n= 7, 63.
The first 7 terms are 2^{n-1} but that fails for n> 6.
 
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Yes I'm aware of the fact that just because it appears that a formula for the nth term in a sequence can be found it may not always exist. Do you by any chance know if it can be shown that a nth term expression for a sequence exists or doesn't exist? Possibly mathematical induction? Any other method that a first semester calculus, going into second semester, could understand? Thanks.
 
Got it.

Stat plot on a graphing calculator almost always yields insight. Once you see the points as
(1, 4/3) (2, 32/3) (3, 108/3)
where (x,y), things get better.

So basically, from the graph I got, I accidentally plotted the points as their inverses where (y,x) and saw that it was definitely some power function. Quick switch to (x,y) did a power regression on the calculator (although this usually only helps you get to a rough idea, this worked great) and got a pretty obvious answer that I was too lazy to see right off the bat.

A=(4/3)(n^3)

Should've been obvious... That matches the data points perfectly for this set, try two more calculations by hand to verify that this works moderately well, although you could calculate a point off in the distance by hand, like when n=30 to see if it still works for high n.
 

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