Finding the Area Under One Arch of a Cycloid: Where to Start?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the area under one arch of a cycloid defined by the parametric equations x=a(t-sint) and y=a(1-cost). Participants are exploring how to approach this problem and what methods might be applicable.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning how to manipulate the parametric equations to facilitate finding the area under the curve. There are discussions about converting the equations into forms involving sine and cosine, as well as considering integral expressions for area calculation.

Discussion Status

Some participants are offering guidance on maintaining the integrity of the original parametric equations while exploring the integral expressions needed for area calculation. There is an acknowledgment of the need to identify specific values of t where y=0 to help delineate the arch of the cycloid.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of using parametric equations and are cautious about transforming them into forms that may not be suitable for the area calculation. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between the parametric and polar forms of the equations.

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Homework Statement


Find the area under one arch of the cycloid
x=a(t-sint), y=a(1-cost)

Where do I start?

I could divide both sides by a and get
x/a= t-sint cost=1-y/a

If this is the case, how should I deal with x/a=t-sint? I need to get them into the form of sint=... or cost=... right?
 
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mmont012 said:

Homework Statement


Find the area under one arch of the cycloid
x=a(t-sint), y=a(1-cost)

Where do I start?

I could divide both sides by a and get
x/a= t-sint cost=1-y/a

If this is the case, how should I deal with x/a=t-sint? I need to get them into the form of sint=... or cost=... right?
First, don't panic.

Second, don't do anything to the original parametric equations to make them unsuitable for finding the area under the curve.

Third, how do you find the area under any given curve? What integral expression would you write? What does this integral expression look like after you substitute the parametric expressions for x and y?
 
(taking deep breaths)...

Can I use the ∫(from α to β) of 1/2 r2?

I also have the relationships: x=rcosθ and y=rsinθ

Since my parametric equation is in terms of t am I able to say x=rcost and y=rsint?
 
mmont012 said:
(taking deep breaths)...

Can I use the ∫(from α to β) of 1/2 r2?

I also have the relationships: x=rcosθ and y=rsinθ

Since my parametric equation is in terms of t am I able to say x=rcost and y=rsint?

No. Those are parametric equations alright, but they are not polar coordinate equations just because they have sines and cosines. Look at SteamKing's post #2. To help you, you should be able to find a couple of ##t## values where ##y=0##. That should help you find one arch of the cycloid.
 

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