Finding the Centre of Mass of a Solid Cone

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The discussion revolves around finding the center of mass of a solid cone, focusing on the mathematical setup and assumptions involved in the integration process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using thin disks to calculate the center of mass, questioning the appropriateness of using dy versus dysecθ for thickness. There is also exploration of the volume element for a truncated cone and the implications of using density in the integral.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of volume elements and density, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method or assumptions to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating over a solid cone and are considering the implications of their assumptions on the calculations. There is a focus on the definitions and relationships between the variables involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement



Find the centre of mass of solid cone.

Homework Equations



$$y_{cm}=\frac{1}{M}\int_0^Hydm$$

The Attempt at a Solution


First I took thin disks. I got the answer when I assumed its thickness to be dy but then dysecθ would be more accurate if half angle of cone is θ since dysecθ gives the length of the slanted part, while dy would give a cylinder.
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Now I get wrong answer.
 

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AdityaDev said:

Homework Statement



Find the centre of mass of solid cone.

Homework Equations



$$y_{cm}=\frac{1}{M}\int_0^Hydm$$

The Attempt at a Solution


First I took thin disks. I got the answer when I assumed its thickness to be dy but then dysecθ would be more accurate if half angle of cone is θ since dysecθ gives the length of the slanted part, while dy would give a cylinder.
But the volume of a truncated cone is (h pi/3 )(r12+r1r2+r22) where r1 and r2 are the radii of the base plates and h is the height. In case of the volume element, r1≈r2=r and h=dy, so the volume element is that of a disk with radius r and height dy.

Also, you have to use density times Ady instead of dm in the integral.
 
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ehild said:
But the volume of a truncated cone is (h pi/3 )(r12+r1r2+r22) where r1 and r2 are the radii of the base plates and h is the height. In case of the volume element, r1≈r2=r and h=dy, so the volume element is that of a disk with radius r and height dy.

Also, you have to use density times dy instead of dm in the integral.
OK. But what's wrong in dysecθ?
 
Nothing is wrong with it if you do not use it instead of dy.
 

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