Finding the coefficient of kinetic friction of 3 blocks

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves three blocks with different masses connected by an ideal rope, where two blocks are hanging and one is on a table. The system accelerates at 0.500 m/s², and the goal is to find the coefficient of kinetic friction between the middle block and the table.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the forces acting on the blocks and the effect of friction on the system's acceleration. Some express confusion about the total mass of the system and the relevance of calculating acceleration when it is provided. Others suggest considering the forces involved to understand the impact of friction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the net force, mass, and acceleration, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy regarding the total mass of the system, with some participants questioning the initial assumptions made about the forces and the setup. The problem context includes specific values for acceleration and mass, which are central to the discussion.

chevymechanic
Messages
13
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


When three blocks are released from rest, they accelerate with a magnitude of 0.500 m/s2. Block 1 has mass M, block 2 has 2M, and block 3 has 2M. What is the coefficient of kinetic friction between block 2 and the table?
(The blocks are arranged with block 1 hanging from the left side of the table, block 2 sitting on the middle of the table, and block 3 hanging from the right side of the table. All connected by an ideal rope.)


Homework Equations


fk=ukFN
F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


This is the problem. I have no clue where to start. The only thing I know is that the coefficient of friction is uk and has no units. I understand that I must use the first formula somehow. Would I first find the normal force of block 2? I'm lost...
 
Physics news on Phys.org
chevymechanic said:

Homework Statement


When three blocks are released from rest, they accelerate with a magnitude of 0.500 m/s2. Block 1 has mass M, block 2 has 2M, and block 3 has 2M. What is the coefficient of kinetic friction between block 2 and the table?
(The blocks are arranged with block 1 hanging from the left side of the table, block 2 sitting on the middle of the table, and block 3 hanging from the right side of the table. All connected by an ideal rope.)


Homework Equations


fk=ukFN
F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


This is the problem. I have no clue where to start. The only thing I know is that the coefficient of friction is uk and has no units. I understand that I must use the first formula somehow. Would I first find the normal force of block 2? I'm lost...

Think globally.

The total system has mass 6M

A force equal to the weight of 2M is trying to pull it one way, while a force equal to the weight of 3M tries to pull it the other way.

That means a net force equal to the weight of 1M is accelerating the masses in a given direction.

The "weight of 1M" acting on a total of 6M should give an acceleration you can calculate.

However, due to friction between the 1M block and the table, the acceleration is reduced to only 0.5. from that you can calculate the size of the firction force, and thus the coefficient of friction.
 
Wouldn't the total mass be 5M? The block hanging from the left side of the table is M, middle block is 2M, and the block hanging from the right side is also 2M. I guess it would still mean that a mass of 1M is accelerating the masses though. I don't understand why I would have to calculate the acceleration when it is given as .500 m/s2 in the problem. Would I use F=ma?
 
chevymechanic said:
Wouldn't the total mass be 5M? The block hanging from the left side of the table is M, middle block is 2M, and the block hanging from the right side is also 2M. I guess it would still mean that a mass of 1M is accelerating the masses though. I don't understand why I would have to calculate the acceleration when it is given as .500 m/s2 in the problem. Would I use F=ma?

You're right. Total 5M. Mis-read and with no diagram.

If you calculate what the acceleration "would have been" in the absence of friction, you can easily assess the effect of friction - how strong it is.

You can calculate via forces, but I find it easier to work through acceleration.

eg with g=10

Net force equivalent to on 1M, but system mass 5M thus acceleration only 1/5 th of normal [without friction] so 2 m/s2.

Actual acceleration only 0.5, so 3/4 of the net force above is "cancelled by friction" Thus Friction is 3/4 the weight force of M - which is 3/8 or 2M (the Normal Reaction Force for the mass on the table).

Now when you use g = 9.8 or 9.81 you get decimals all over the place, but the idea is the same.

What a pity the standard metre wasn't just a little bit shorter, so that g actually equalled 10.
 

Similar threads

Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
6K
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
61
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K