Finding the Commutator of Two Operators

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The discussion revolves around finding the commutator of two operators, \(\hat{A}\) and \(\hat{B}\), defined using ladder operators in quantum mechanics. The original poster expresses difficulty in arriving at the expected result for the commutator, which involves both operators and constants.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to compute the commutator directly but struggles with the algebraic manipulation involved. Some participants suggest utilizing properties of commutators to simplify the process, such as linearity and the product rule.

Discussion Status

Participants have offered guidance on applying commutator properties to streamline the calculation. The original poster acknowledges this advice and expresses appreciation for the suggestion, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to specific properties of ladder operators and their commutation relations, which are central to the problem but not fully resolved in the conversation.

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Homework Statement


Hello.

I am supposed to find the commutator between to operators, but I can't seem to make it add up.
The operators are given by:
[tex]\hat{A}=\alpha \left( {{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}+{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}} \right)[/tex]
and
[tex]\hat{B}=i\beta \left( \hat{a}_{+}^{2}-\hat{a}_{-}^{2} \right),[/tex]
where alpha and beta are real numbers, i being the irrational number, and a+ and a- are the ladder operators.

Now, I just have to find the commutator [A, B]

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The Attempt at a Solution



By attempt is given by the following

[tex]\left[ \hat{A},\,\hat{B} \right]=\hat{A}\hat{B}-\hat{B}\hat{A}=\alpha \left( {{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}+{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}} \right)i\beta \left( \hat{a}_{+}^{2}-\hat{a}_{-}^{2} \right)-i\beta \left( \hat{a}_{+}^{2}-\hat{a}_{-}^{2} \right)\alpha \left( {{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}+{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}} \right)[/tex]
[tex]=i\alpha \beta \left[ \begin{align}<br /> & -{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}+{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}-{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}+{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}} \\ <br /> & -{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}+{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}-{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}+{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}} \\ <br /> \end{align} \right][/tex]
[tex]=2i\alpha \beta \left[ \left( -\hat{a}_{+}^{2}{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}+{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}-{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{-}}+\hat{a}{{_{-}^{2}}_{-}}{{{\hat{a}}}_{+}} \right) \right][/tex]
Now, according to the answer I have gotten from my teacher, it is supposed to be:
[tex]\left[ \hat{A},\hat{B} \right]=2i\alpha \beta \hat{A}[/tex]

But I am kinda lost in how to end up with the operator A in the end, and even another alpha constant, since A operator is equal to alpha and some ladder operators.

So, what am I missing ? :)Thanks in advance.
 
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First of all, do not use directly the definition of commutator... remember that there are properties of the commutator you can use to do things simpler:
1) Commutator is linear, i.e. ##[A+B,C]=[A,C]+[B,C]## and ##[\alpha A,B]=\alpha[A,B]##
2) Multiplication is treated like ##[AB,C]=A[B,C]+[A,C]B##

Using these two properties, you can simplify a lot what you wrote. Then use also the definitions of commutations of ladder operators ##[a_+,a_+]=[a_-,a_-]=0##, ##[a_-,a_+]=1=-[a_+,a_-]##.
Now you are done. Anyway you're right as for the ##\alpha##, you get only one so you have to put it into the definition of ##A## and you will get as result ##2i\beta A##
 
Ahhh yes.

Haven't thought of re-writing it that way. Thank you :)
 
R: Commutator of two operators

Always try to use this method in exercises like that, it's often much simpler than just splitting all up :)
And anyway, you're welcome
 
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