Finding the direction of the momentum (by drawing?)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a missile that explodes into three equal mass pieces, with given velocities and directions. The task is to find the momentum of the third piece by constructing a drawing, as well as determining its angle and direction relative to the vertical. The context is centered around momentum conservation principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the assumption that the initial momentum of the missile is zero, which is crucial for solving the problem. There are attempts to calculate the momentum of the third piece based on the vector addition of the first two pieces' momenta.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the momentum vectors and their components. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need for the momenta to sum to zero, but there is still confusion about the calculations and the resulting values.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the missile stopped before exploding, which is a critical assumption for the momentum calculations. There is also uncertainty regarding the correct values for the momentum of the third piece and how they relate to the initial conditions.

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Homework Statement


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A missle explodes in the air, forming 3 pieces equal in mass. Their masses are 0,03kg.
First piece started moving with a velocity of 60m/s, which makes its momentum
p=60*0,03=1,8
The second piece started moving with a velocity of 55m/s, making its momentum
p=55*0,03=1,65

The velocity directions are shown in the picture.

Find the momentum of the third piece by constructing/drawing.
The angle of the third piece's movement relative to vertical diretion.
The direction of the momentum of the third piece.

Homework Equations



p=mv

The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea how to solve this.
I'd bet the last 2 things are practically the same thing, though.

Thanks in advance,
fawk3s
 
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Apparently you are supposed to assume that the initial momentum of the missile was 0.
There's no way to solve this otherwise. If the inital momentum was 0 then the momemta of the 3 pieces still have to add to 0, both in the x and in the y direction.
 
willem2 said:
Apparently you are supposed to assume that the initial momentum of the missile was 0.
There's no way to solve this otherwise. If the inital momentum was 0 then the momemta of the 3 pieces still have to add to 0, both in the x and in the y direction.

Oh sorry, I forgot to mention the missle stopped, and then exploded.
I thought of that solution for a second, but wasnt sure at all. I will give it a try.
 
I guess it worked. Hope I got the right answer.

Thanks you very much good sir !
 
Ok, I think I actually reached a point where I don't get it anymore.

I added the 2 first momentas, getting the third one to be -3,45.
But that doesn't seem to be the right answer. The right answer is supposed to be ~2,441, which you can get by Pythagoras.

But I don't really get it. If its ~2,44, the momentums won't add up to 0, which was the missles initial momentum. I mean, arent I supposed to add the 2 vectors in order to get the third one (opposite direction ofcourse)?

Please help.
 
fawk3s said:
Ok, I think I actually reached a point where I don't get it anymore.

I added the 2 first momentas, getting the third one to be -3,45.
But that doesn't seem to be the right answer. The right answer is supposed to be ~2,441, which you can get by Pythagoras.

But I don't really get it. If its ~2,44, the momentums won't add up to 0, which was the missles initial momentum. I mean, arent I supposed to add the 2 vectors in order to get the third one (opposite direction ofcourse)?

Please help.

Momentum (not moments) has a magnitude and direction. So, as stated in the initial help, the sum of the momentum in the x direction nas to be zero, and the sum in the y direction also has to be zero. Given the way you've drawn the figure, the 3rd momentum vector has to point up to the left, in order to cancel out the other two vectors.

Does that help?
 
Yes, I know it has to point up to the left, but why is its momentum -2,44, instead of -3,45?

Because p1+p2+p3=0
But in this case
1,8+1,65-2,44=1,01
 
fawk3s said:
Yes, I know it has to point up to the left, but why is its momentum -2,44, instead of -3,45?

Because p1+p2+p3=0
But in this case
1,8+1,65-2,44=1,01

What are the x and y components of p1?

What are the x and y components of p2?

What does that mean the x and y components of p3 need to be?

What is the resulting magnitude and direction of p3? Give the answer and show it on your drawing (showing the x and y components of p3, and the resulting magnitude and direction).
 
I understand now, I am a moron.

Thanks for the help.
 

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