Finding the Effective resistance of a tree of resistors

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The discussion revolves around finding the effective resistance of a tree of resistors that bifurcates three times and also considering an infinite tree of resistors. The subject area includes concepts from circuit theory and Ohm's Law.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore drawing the resistor tree to completion and question whether the resistors are in series or parallel. There are attempts to denote the total resistance symbolically and to simplify the tree structure by substituting sub-trees with equivalent resistors. Some participants suggest analyzing smaller cases to identify patterns.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various interpretations and suggestions for approaching the calculations. There is a mix of guesses and confirmations regarding the effective resistance values, but no consensus has been reached on the final answers.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the arrangement of resistors and the implications of infinite bifurcations, indicating a need for clarification on assumptions and definitions related to the problem setup.

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1. A) Find the Effective resistance of a tree of resistors that bifurcates 3 times.
B) Find the effective resistance of a tree of infinite resistors. (if the tree below went on to infinity)

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Ohm's Law

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I have no idea how to start this. There was no other info given either.
 
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Surely you can draw the 3-bifurcation one to completion and solve it? At least give it a try.
 
phinds said:
Surely you can draw the 3-bifurcation one to completion and solve it? At least give it a try.

is it just resistors in series ?
 
Let's denote the resistance of that whole tree as T ohms. We don't know what it will be, yet, but at least we have given it a symbol.

Wherever you look, you find sub-trees that are all identical to that parent. So in place of each of those sub-trees going off to infinity you can substitute a single resistor of value T ohms. This simplifies the figure considerably! !
 
NascentOxygen said:
Let's denote the resistance of that whole tree as T ohms. We don't know what it will be, yet, but at least we have given it a symbol.

Wherever you look, you find sub-trees that are all identical to that parent. So in place of each of those sub-trees going off to infinity you can substitute a single resistor of value T ohms. This simplifies the figure considerably! !

So there's 7 T ohms + R ohms
im just having a hard time seeing if they are in series or parallel
 
Ajonsight said:
So there's 7 T ohms + R ohms
im just having a hard time seeing if they are in series or parallel
I think you mean 8? These will all be going to ground at their farther end.

See whether you can do it using fewer than 8.
 
NascentOxygen said:
I think you mean 8? These will all be going to ground at their farther end.

See whether you can do it using fewer than 8.

is the answer 15R/8 ohms?
 
and for part b would it just be 1 since there's a infinite number of resistors and bifurcations?
 
Ajonsight said:
is the answer 15R/8 ohms?
For (a), yes.
 
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Ajonsight said:
and for part b would it just be 1 since there's a infinite number of resistors and bifurcations?
You're guessing. ✗[/size][/color]

The resistance is going to have to be at least R.
 
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Ajonsight said:
is the answer 15R/8 ohms?

Good job !
 
  • #12
NascentOxygen said:
You're guessing. ✗

The resistance is going to have to be at least R.

so the answer to part b is R ohms because it would be infinity over infinity?
 
  • #13
Ajonsight said:
so the answer to part b is R ohms because it would be infinity over infinity?

If you want to really get a sense of what's going on, do it for 1 branch, 2 branches, 3 branches (already done), and maybe 4 branches and see if there is a pattern that you could extrapolate to a limit.
 
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phinds said:
If you want to really get a sense of what's going on, do it for 1 branch, 2 branches, 3 branches (already done), and maybe 4 branches and see if there is a pattern that you could extrapolate to a limit.

oh ok. so its 2R ohms since is approaching 2R ohms. The next branch added would be 31R/16
 
  • #15
Ajonsight said:
oh ok. so its 2R ohms since is approaching 2R ohms. The next branch added would be 31R/16

Again, good job !
 

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