Finding the electric field of insulated shell

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The discussion revolves around finding the electric field of an insulating spherical shell with a specified volume charge density that varies with radial distance. The problem involves understanding the implications of the charge density on the electric field both inside and outside the shell.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of the charge density and its implications for calculating the electric field. There are attempts to equate charge density with enclosed charge and to apply Gauss's law. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the calculations and the assumptions made about the charge density in different regions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning each other's reasoning and calculations. Some have provided alternative expressions for the charge and electric field based on different assumptions about the charge density. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the integration limits and the impact of varying charge density on the electric field.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the implications of different cases based on the charge density being zero or varying, and how this affects the calculations for the electric field in different regions of the shell. Some participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the treatment of infinitesimals in their calculations.

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An insulating spherical shell of inner radius r1 and outer radius r2 is charged so that its volume density is given by:

ρ(r) = 0 for 0 ≤ r < r1
p(r) = A/r for r1 ≤ r ≤ r2
p(r) = 0 for r > r2

Where A is a constant and r is the radial distance from the center of the shell. Find the electric field due to the shell for all values of r.

Homework Equations



Eqn 1 - ∫E⋅ds=Qenc0
Eqn 2 - ρ=Qenc/V

The Attempt at a Solution



First I got an equation for ρ(r) in terms of the spherical volume

ρ(r) = 3Qenc/4πεr3

I then equated this in terms of Qenc and plugged into Eqn 1

Qenc = 4ρπr3/3

so knowing the area of a sphere is 4πr2

∫E⋅ds = 4ρπr3/3ε0

From here, knowing that ρ(r) = 0 for two case, this means that in both cases Eqn 2 = 0, so I basically set:

E⋅4πr2 = 0 so in cases 1 and 3, E = 1/4πr2

In the case where ρ(r) = A/r, is set:

E⋅4πr2 = 4Aπr3/3ε0r

Did a bit of Algebra-kedabra and ended up with:

E = A/ε0

Intuitively, this seems to tell me that the electric field is constant anywhere in the within the two radii, whilst outside it is inversely proportional to the radius.

Basically, I want to know have I done anything stupid or have I gone the right way?

Many thanks
 
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Physics Dad said:
First I calculated the value of ρ(r)
##\rho(r)## was given !
 
Yes, fair enough, I meant equated Qenc in terms of ρ.

Is there anything else wrong with my attempt?

Many thanks
 
Physics Dad said:
Qenc = 4ρπr3/3
So what would be the formula if the density were constant?
 
haruspex said:
So what would be the formula if the density were constant?
So Q = p dv = p 4πr^2 Dr

Again, for case 1 and 3 this would still be zero.

For case 2 this would be integrated from r2 to r1?

So Q = 2Aπ(r2^2 - r1^2)

So E = A(r2^2 - r1^2)/2€0r^2

Sorry, doing this on my phone, have no symbols.

Thanks
 
Physics Dad said:
So Q = p dv = p 4πr^2 Dr

Again, for case 1 and 3 this would still be zero.

For case 2 this would be integrated from r2 to r1?

So Q = 2Aπ(r2^2 - r1^2)

So E = A(r2^2 - r1^2)/2€0r^2

Sorry, doing this on my phone, have no symbols.

Thanks
That is right for r>r2. What about r1<r<r2?
 
Physics Dad said:
So Q = p dv = p 4πr^2 Dr
No. On the left you have a finite Q, the others are infinitesimals ('d').

So if you want to write something like this very casually (as is usual in physics), you write $$
dQ = \rho \; dV = \rho \;4πr^2 \; dr$$ where you have done two integrations in the last step (##dV = r^2 \sin\theta\; d\theta \,d\phi\, dr##) which you can do because ##\rho(\vec r)=\rho(r)##.

But ##dQ## still depends on ##r##, both in the ##\rho## factor and in the ##r^2##
##\mathstrut##
 

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