Finding the electric potential difference?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric potential difference between the surface of an insulating infinite cylinder and the outer surface of a conducting cylindrical shell. The relevant equations include the electric field E = λ / (2πε₀r) and the potential V(r) = V(∞) - ∫E·dl from infinity to r. The user attempts to express the potential difference V(c) - V(a) using integrals, but encounters confusion regarding the integration limits and the application of the superposition principle. Key insights include recognizing the zero electric field within the conductor and the need to exploit cylindrical symmetry in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Please don't do the problem for me, but explain to me in detail each steps I should take and why in my calculations (so I didn't include any numbers).

There's an insulating infinite cylinder of equal charge distribution at origin (density given- rho). Let's say it's radius is a. Then some radius outwards, there's another charged conducting cylindrical shell (given linear charge density- lambda) that encloses the original cylinder with some thickness. It's inner surface is at a distance (radius) b from the origin, and its outer surface c from the origin.

I basically need to find V(c) - V(a), the pot. diff at surface of insulator, to outer surface of the shell.

Homework Equations



V(r) = V(r) - V(inf) = INT[E.dl] from inf to r.
E = lamda/ (2pi e0 r)
Area of circle: pi r^2

The Attempt at a Solution



So the potential specifically for inf. cylinders should be something like:
V(r) = lamda/ (2pi e0) INT[1/r dr] from inf to r.

Since rho is useless, I'll have to change it into lambda, by multiplying rho by the area of the cross-sectional circle of the cylinder, (pi a^2). Then we can now view the insulating cylinder as a thin wire at the origin (along z-axis) with lambda = rho*pi*a^2.

to find V(c)-V(a), we must do multiple integrals.
for V(c),
INT[E.dl]<from inf to c>

for V(a),
INT[E.dl]<from inf to c> + INT[E.dl]<from c to b> + INT[E.dl]<from b to a>.
INT[E.dl]<from c to b> should be 0 because the E-filed within the conductor is 0.

so V(c)-V(a) = -INT[E.dl]<from b to a>.
= -lamda/ (2pi e0) INT[1/r dr] from b to a, where lambda as we found is rho*pi*a^2.

= -(rho*a^2)/(2 e0) * (ln(a)-ln(b))

...but apparently I'm wrong D: What did I do wrong, how should I have done it and why??
 
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From scratch:
1. exploit the symmetry of the situation ... change to cylindrical polar coordinates.
2. use [itex]\epsilon_0 \nabla^2\phi=\rho_{free}[/itex]

But you can finesse it using known results.
1. the field inside a charged conducting surface is zero - so the potential is a constant
2. the field outside a long cylinder of charge is the same as a line of charge through the origin - you should have a solution for that.
3. the superposition principle.
4. the field is the gradient of the potential.

So,
V(a) is that due to a line of charge through the origin + a constant.
V(c) is that due to a superposition of two lines of charge.

Is that what you are trying to do?
 

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