Finding the Final Sum of Trigonometric Functions: Cosine and Sine Formulas

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The discussion focuses on finding the sums of the series for cos^2x and sin^2x in terms of trigonometric identities and complex numbers. Participants debate the correct approach to summing these series, with suggestions to utilize geometric series and Euler's formula. There is confusion regarding the use of imaginary numbers and how to extract real parts from complex expressions. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding geometric series and trigonometric identities to derive the final sums. The thread concludes with a participant expressing satisfaction in reaching a solution after much back-and-forth.
  • #51
You are missing the exp(2inx) part. Now drop the imaginary parts. You just want the real part.
 
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  • #52
Dick is about to earn the 2008 award for homework helper just for this thread! What patience! :-)
 
  • #53
DavidWhitbeck said:
Dick is about to earn the 2008 award for homework helper just for this thread! What patience! :-)

It's not over yet. If this is still going on in 2009 I can use it to claim the 2009 award as well.
 
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\frac{cos2x+cos2nx-cos2(n+1)x-1}{2(1-cos2x)}+\frac{isin2x+isin2nx-isin2(n+1)x}{2(1-cos2x)}
I have no idea how will I solve this.
 
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  • #55
Now you dropped the (-1). You used to have it. Now just take the real part. You don't have to solve it. It IS the solution. It's the formula for the sum cos(2x)+cos(4x)+...+cos(2nx). How does this help you with the original problem?
 
  • #56
In my textbook results it is:

\frac{cos(n+1)xsin(nx)}{sinx}+i\frac{sin(n+1)xsin(nx)}{sinx}

I am wondering how did they found this results...
 
  • #57
Physicsissuef said:
In my textbook results it is:

\frac{cos(n+1)xsin(nx)}{sinx}+i\frac{sin(n+1)xsin(nx)}{sinx}

I am wondering how did they found this results...

They used trig identities. It's the same thing you have written in a different form. Let's try and solve the problem first and then worry about how to simplify it.
 
  • #58
I think I know how to solve it.
A=cos^2x+cos^22x+...+cos^2nx

B=sin^2x+sin^22x+...+sin^2nx

C=A+B

D=A-B

A=\frac{C+D}{2}

B=\frac{C-D}{2}

I found C

C=n

D is the real part of what we were doing now.

D=\frac{cos(n+1)xsin(nx)}{sinx}

With substitution:

A=\frac{n+\frac{cos(n+1)xsin(nx)}{sinx}}{2}

B is same just with opposite sign (instead of + it is -)

Am I right?
 
  • #59
DavidWhitbeck said:
Dick is about to earn the 2008 award for homework helper just for this thread! What patience! :-)

Does helping the exact same person on the exact same question with the exact same frustration level but in another forum count?
 
  • #60
Finally. Yes, that's how to finish it.
 
  • #61
Physicsissuef said:
Am I right?


Yes!
 
  • #62
D H said:
Does helping the exact same person on the exact same question with the exact same frustration level but in another forum count?

It counts double.
 
  • #63
But can you tell me please how did they simplify it?
 
  • #64
I think you should try it first. I don't see any '2' factors in the final result. So you might start with a double angle formula.
 
  • #65
\frac{cos^2x-sin^2x+cos^2nx-sin^2nx-cos^2(n+1)x+sin^2(n+1)x-sin^2x-cos^2x}{4sin^2x}

\frac{-2sin^2x+cos^2nx-sin^2nx-cos^2(n+1)x+sin^2(n+1)x}{4sin^2x}

Like this?
 
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