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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the function as x approaches 3, specifically the expression 7/ln(x-2) - 7/(x-3). Participants are exploring the application of L'Hôpital's rule due to encountering an indeterminate form.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants describe attempts to simplify the expression by cross-multiplying and applying L'Hôpital's rule multiple times. Questions arise regarding the handling of derivatives and the presence of logarithmic terms in the denominator after differentiation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into their reasoning and corrections to their previous steps. Some participants express confusion about their calculations, while others offer clarifications and guidance on the application of L'Hôpital's rule.

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There is a recognition of the indeterminate form 0/0 at multiple stages, and participants are reflecting on their approaches to derivatives and simplifications. The original problem context includes specific limits and functions that are central to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



limit as x→3 f(x)= 7/ln(x-2) - 7/(x-3)

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The Attempt at a Solution


Cross multiplied to get it into one quotient: 7x-21-7ln(x-2)/ln(x-2)(x-3). Plugged 3 into get Indeterminate form 0/0. Took derivative of top and bottom then plugged 3 in again and got -6/0. NOT RIGHT. The correct answer is 7/2. I am stuck as to how they got that.
 
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turbokaz said:

Homework Statement



limit as x→3 f(x)= 7/ln(x-2) - 7/(x-3)

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


Cross multiplied to get it into one quotient: 7x-21-7ln(x-2)/ln(x-2)(x-3). Plugged 3 into get Indeterminate form 0/0. Took derivative of top and bottom then plugged 3 in again and got -6/0. NOT RIGHT. The correct answer is 7/2. I am stuck as to how they got that.

You should have gotten 0 for the derivative of the numerator as well. Indicating you would want to take l'Hopital again. Can you show why you didn't?
 
okay, I see that I should have gotten 0/0 a second time. But I do L'hopital's again and get (7/(x-2)^2)/ln(x-2)+(x-3/x-2) which after plugging in 3 gives me 7/0.
 
turbokaz said:
okay, I see that I should have gotten 0/0 a second time. But I do L'hopital's again and get (7/(x-2)^2)/ln(x-2)+(x-3/x-2) which after plugging in 3 gives me 7/0.

Why do you still have an ln in the denominator after taking the next derivative? You aren't showing your work and you are being sloppy about what you aren't showing.
 
From the original equation then. After cross multiplying, I plug in and get 0/0. After round one of l'hospital's, I get (7-(7/(x-2)))/ln(x-2)(x-3). Plug 3 in and get 0/0 again. Derivative of the top gives me (7/(x-2)^2) because 7 goes to 0 and by quotient rule of the second term. I used the product rule on the denominator of ln(x-2)*(x-3) and got ln(x-2)+(1/x-2)*(x-3).
 
turbokaz said:
From the original equation then. After cross multiplying, I plug in and get 0/0. After round one of l'hospital's, I get (7-(7/(x-2)))/ln(x-2)(x-3). Plug 3 in and get 0/0 again. Derivative of the top gives me (7/(x-2)^2) because 7 goes to 0 and by quotient rule of the second term. I used the product rule on the denominator of ln(x-2)*(x-3) and got ln(x-2)+(1/x-2)*(x-3).

Ok, thanks for helping. So why didn't you take the derivative of the denominator in the first round of l'Hopital's? After the FIRST round I've got ln(x-2)+(x-3)/(x-2) in the denominator.
 
I don't know why I was being so sloppy. You're right, after round 1 I should have that in the denominator, giving way to 0/0 again. Taking the derivative of top and bottom again leads to (7/(x-2)^2)/ 1/(x-2) + 1/(x-2)^2. Plugged in 3 and got the 7/2. I don't know why my work was so messy but whatever, guess I need to SLOW down. Thanks for your patience.
 
turbokaz said:
I don't know why I was being so sloppy. You're right, after round 1 I should have that in the denominator, giving way to 0/0 again. Taking the derivative of top and bottom again leads to (7/(x-2)^2)/ 1/(x-2) + 1/(x-2)^2. Plugged in 3 and got the 7/2. I don't know why my work was so messy but whatever, guess I need to SLOW down. Thanks for your patience.

You're welcome. You fixed your own problem. Good work!
 

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