Finding the Minimum Speed of a Particle with Given Position Function

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The problem involves determining the minimum speed of a particle given its position function r(t) = <2t, 3, -2t+1>. Participants are tasked with finding when the speed is at a minimum and what that minimum speed is.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivative of the position function and its implications for velocity. There is confusion about the nature of the derivative and whether it should be treated as a vector or a scalar. Some participants attempt to calculate the speed by finding the magnitude of the velocity vector.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify the calculation of speed and the nature of the velocity vector. Some participants express confusion about how to proceed after finding the derivative, while others suggest that the speed is constant, leading to a potential minimum and maximum at all times.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through misunderstandings regarding vector calculus and the implications of constant speed on minimum and maximum values. There is also a mention of homework constraints that may limit the exploration of certain concepts.

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Homework Statement



The position function of a particle is given by r(t) = <2t, 3, -2t+1> where t is the time in seconds. When is the speed a minimum? What is the minimum speed?

Homework Equations



v(t) = r'(t)

The Attempt at a Solution



The derivative of r'(t) = 2 + 0 + (-2) = 0. The t is canceled out so how are we supposed to find t and the minimum speed? I am so confused. Help please?
 
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user8899 said:

Homework Statement



The position function of a particle is given by r(t) = <2t, 3, -2t+1> where t is the time in seconds. When is the speed a minimum? What is the minimum speed?

Homework Equations



v(t) = r'(t)

The Attempt at a Solution



The derivative of r'(t) = 2 + 0 + (-2) = 0.

No, the derivative should be a vector. If ##r(t) = \langle a(t), b(t), c(t)\rangle##, then ##r'(t) = \langle a'(t), b'(t), c'(t) \rangle##. You don't sum ##a'(t)##, ##b'(t)##, and ##c'(t)##.
 
Ok, so I would just get <2,3,-2>. Then what would I do?
 
user8899 said:
Ok, so I would just get <2,3,-2>. Then what would I do?

Speed = magnitude of velocity.
 
user8899 said:
Ok, so I would just get <2,3,-2>. Then what would I do?
The second component should not be 3.
 
jbunniii said:
The second component should not be 3.
Yea sorry it's <2,0,-2>
 
Ray Vickson said:
Speed = magnitude of velocity.
So the speed is 0? How do we find the time then? That's what I am stuck on.
 
user8899 said:
So the speed is 0?
No, it's not. He meant the magnitude (i.e. the norm) of the vector, not the magnitude of the sum of its components.
 
Fredrik said:
No, it's not. He meant the magnitude (i.e. the norm) of the vector, not the magnitude of the sum of its components.

I am really confused now. Could you give me some guidance?

So the derivative is velocity right? The magnitude of the vector would be √((2)^2 + (-2)^2)? Then that would be speed which is √8?

Is this right?

Thanks
 
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Yes, that's right.
 
  • #11
Fredrik said:
Yes, that's right.

Thanks, so for time what would I do since when you find the derivative t is no longer there?
 
  • #12
user8899 said:
Thanks, so for time what would I do since when you find the derivative t is no longer there?
You have shown that the speed is constant, so it achieves both a minimum and a maximum at all times.
 
  • #13
jbunniii said:
You have shown that the speed is constant, so it achieves both a minimum and a maximum at all times.

oh! okay that makes sense! Thank you everybody :)
 

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