Finding the Moment of a Force Using Varignon's Theorem

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The discussion revolves around finding the moment of a force using Varignon's Theorem. Participants express confusion regarding the determination of both the magnitude and direction of the moments produced by force components.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants inquire about the application of the right hand rule and its relevance to determining the direction of moments. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between force components and their moments, as well as the implications of clockwise and anticlockwise rotation.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved in calculating moments, with some participants questioning the necessity of the right hand rule in simpler scenarios. Guidance has been offered regarding the nature of moments as turning effects, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to apply Varignon's Theorem.

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Participants are required to show their work to receive assistance, which may influence the depth of the discussion. There is a mention of differing methods for finding moments, including the cross product and Varignon's theorem, indicating a variety of approaches being considered.

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Hi. I'm really confused in how to find the moment done by force.

I want to find the moment done by the force in this figure.

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The book has resolved the force into its components using principle of moments.

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So, how do i find the moments of the components of the force? I know I'm going to use the right hand rule, but i don't know where i am going to put my thumb.
 
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sevag00 said:
Hi. I'm really confused in how to find the moment done by force.

So, how do i find the moments of the components of the force? I know I'm going to use the right hand rule, but i don't know where i am going to put my thumb.

Show your work please.
Anyway,moment =Force x Perpendicular distance
 
I know how to find the magnitude. I'm asking for the direction.
 
sevag00 said:
I know how to find the magnitude. I'm asking for the direction.
If you know it,then show your work.
PF requires one to show his/her work before getting any help(In the homework section):smile:
 
Yeah. But first i should find the direction of the moments of the components of the force so that i get the right result.
 
sevag00 said:
Yeah. But first i should find the direction of the moments of the components of the force so that i get the right result.
You don't need to calculate that.Moment is a turning effect.It does not have any directions.It has direction of rotation.You just have to use common sense and decide whether it's anticlockwise or clockwise
For example,look at this:
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Look at diagram a,Force F produces an Anticlockwise moment.
Look at diagram b,Force F now produces a Clockwise moment.

Think about your diagram now
 

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Okay. But there is something called right hand rule that you indirectly used to find the direction of (a) and (b).
I want to know how the right hand rule is used.
 
I know what your saying. Your taking a direction vector from point O to the line of action of the force. And by using cross product, you're getting the magnitude and direction. But I'm not using that method. I'm using Varignon's theorem.
 

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