Finding the nth Term of a Sequence: 6+13+24+39+...

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The discussion revolves around finding the nth term of the sequence 6, 13, 24, 39, and whether a unique formula can be derived for it. Participants explore various methods and assumptions related to the sequence, including its differences and potential generation rules.

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  • Some participants argue that there is no unique sequence longer than four terms that can definitively represent the numbers provided, suggesting assumptions are necessary.
  • Others propose that the differences between the terms are in arithmetic progression, indicating a potential pattern.
  • A participant suggests using Newton's divided difference formula to derive a polynomial expression for the nth term, providing a detailed calculation based on the differences.
  • There is a question raised about whether the inquiry pertains to the nth term of the sequence or the nth partial sum of the series, indicating a possible ambiguity in the original question.

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Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the sequence and the methods to derive the nth term.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the sequence and the definitions of terms, which are not fully clarified in the discussion.

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How to find nth term of the sequence 6+13+24+39+...
 
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You can't. There is no unique sequence longer than 4 giving rise to that set of numbers.
You need to make some sort of assumption about what sort of sequence you have there.

i.e. if you put x0=6, x1=13, x2=24, and x3=39; then the nth term could be (2n)6: n=even, and 13n: n= odd. BUt if I'm going to do that, then I could just say that x(n) = x(n-2)+18: n=even, x(n)=x(n-2)+26: n=odd ;)

note: what have the + signs to do with it?
 
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It is actually 6,13,24,39...Their differences are in Arithmetic progression
 
It is only "actually" if you restrict possible generation rules to a limited subset.
Or do you mean that you want to know how to write that particular rule out in some compact way?
Please make the question clear - you appear to be relying on a context we don't have.

Perhaps you want the sequence generation rule in terms of something like x(n)=... ?
 
roshan2004 said:
It is actually 6,13,24,39...Their differences are in Arithmetic progression
Any reason why you didn't tell us that before? As Simon Bridge said, there are infinitely many different sequences that start out "6, 13, 24, 39". We might have noticed that 13- 6= 7, 24- 13= 11, 39- 24= 15 so that the "second differences" are 11- 7= 4 and 15- 11= 4 but there is no way of knowing that is always true without being told.

Knowing that the first differences are always 4 (so second and succeeding differences are 0) we can use "Newton's divided difference formula" which is very similar to "Taylor's series" for continuous functions. If a sequence, {a_n} has first differences \Delta_n, second differences \Delta^2_n, etc. then a_n= a_0+ \Delta_0 n+ (\Delta_0^2/2) n(n-1)+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ (\Delta_0^i/i!)n(n-1)(n-2)\cdot\cdot\cdot(n- i- 1)

In this case, with a_0= 6, a_1= 13, a_2= 24, a_3= 39, \Delta_0= 7, \Delta_1= 11, \Delta_2= 15, and continuing so that \Delta^2_i= 4 for all i, then all higher differences are 0 and Newton's formula becomes
6+ 7n+ (4/2)n(n-1)= 6+ 7n+ 2n^2- 2n= 2n^2+ 5n+ 6

That is a_0= 2(0^2)+ 5(0)+ 6= 6
a_1= 2(1^2)+ 5(1)+ 6= 2+ 5+ 6= 13,
a_2= 2(2^2)+ 5(2)+ 6= 8+ 10+ 6= 24,
and a_3= 2(3^2)+ 5(3)+ 6= 19+ 15+ 6= 39 as desired.

Notice that, because I chose to simplify by starting the sum at i= 0, the "nth term" is
2(n-1)^2+ 5(n-1)+ 6= 2n^2- 4n+ 2+ 5n- 5+ 6= 2n^2+ n+ 3
so that a_1= 2(1)+ 1+ 3= 6, a_2= 2(4)+ 2+ 3= 13, a_3= 2(9)+ 3+ 3= 24, and a_4= 2(16)+ 4+ 3= 39.

You could also have done this by recognizing from the start that (as a result of Newton's divided difference formula) since the second differences are constant, the formula must be quadratic in n:
an^2+ bn+ c and then use the values given to find a, b, and c.
 
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roshan2004 said:
nth term of the sequence 6+13+24+39+...

Do you mean "nth term of the sequence" 6,13,24,39,... or "nth partial sum of the series" 6+13+24+39...?
 

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