Finding the Resultant Amplitude & Phase: A Practice Problem

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The discussion revolves around a practice problem involving the resultant amplitude and phase of a particle subjected to three simple harmonic motions in the x direction. The problem includes specific amplitudes and phase differences between the components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss their calculations for the resultant amplitude and phase angle, questioning the accuracy of their component breakdowns and the use of trigonometric functions. There is a focus on the x and y components derived from the given amplitudes and phase differences.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring different approaches to calculating the resultant amplitude and phase, with one noting a potential mistake in their initial calculations. There is an ongoing exchange of calculations and interpretations of the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with specific phase differences and are attempting to reconcile their results with those presented in a textbook, indicating possible discrepancies in interpretation or calculation methods.

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Hi, this isn't homework but a practice problem.
A particle is simultaneously subjected to three simple harmonic motions, all of the same frequency and in the x direction. The amplitudes are 0.25, 0.20, 0.15, and the face difference between the first and second is 450 and between the second and third is 300. Find the amplitude of the resultant displacement and its phase relative to the first component.

I made a diagram
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The 0.25, 0.20, and 0.15 components are represented by Z1=A1ejwt, Z2=A2ej(wt+a), and Z3=A3ej(wt+b), adding them all together to give me the resultant component, and simplifying gives me: Z=ejwt[A1+A2eja+A3ejb]...so what I would think I am suppose to do is find the x component of the resultant vector and the y component, and use Pythagorean to find the resultant vector and then do arctan(y/x) to get the phase angle. The answers are 0.52 and 33.50.
I can get 0.52 for the amplitude, but that is only by taking the x component of the resultant vector and ignoring the rest, if I do it with Pythagorean I get [0.522 +0.2162]1/2=0.56, and the angle is arctan (0.216/0.52)=22.5...so apparently I am wrong, can someone help please?
 
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mmmboh said:
I can get 0.52 for the amplitude, but that is only by taking the x component of the resultant vector and ignoring the rest, if I do it with Pythagorean I get [0.522 +0.2162]1/2=0.56, and the angle is arctan (0.216/0.52)=22.5...so apparently I am wrong, can someone help please?

I can only get 0.52 for the amplitude if I use both the x and the y component of the resultant vector. I also don't get 0.216 for the y component. If you want to know
what's wrong show your calculation
 


Ok well for the x component I did 0.25+0.20cos45+0.15cos30=0.52...and for the y component I did 0.20sin45+0.15sin30=0.216...what am I doing wrong?
 


Hm I guess if i use 75 degrees for the third one instead of 30 degrees it works, that's how I originally did it, but in the book they made it seem like that's not the way :S

Edit: I think I see my mistake
 

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