Finding the Tangent Plane at a Point on a Unit Sphere

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a tangent plane at a specific point on a unit sphere centered at the origin. The original poster is exploring various methods to derive this equation, expressing confusion over the simplicity of the problem and the relevance of gradients.

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  • Participants discuss the normal vector to the tangent plane, with some suggesting it is derived from the radius vector to the point of contact. The original poster attempts to use spherical coordinates and vector products but finds the results unclear. Questions arise about the correctness of the derived equation and its relation to provided multiple-choice options.

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Some participants have provided guidance on identifying the normal vector and formulating the equation of the tangent plane. The original poster has made progress but is uncertain about the alignment of their solution with the given answer choices, leading to further exploration of potential errors or misprints in the options.

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There is mention of the problem being part of an entrance exam, and the original poster expresses concern over the discrepancy between their derived solution and the provided options. The discussion also notes that the thread may need to be moved to a more appropriate forum.

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The equation of a tangent plane at the point (1/sqrt3, -1/sqrt3, 1/sqrt3) for a unit sphere with center at origin.

I'm studying for an entrance and this is in the previous question paper MCQ. I've been trying to solve this by studying similar problems but somehow I think the solution here is simpler and does not need gradients to solve. Some of the threads pointed to the possibility that the surface normal vector is given by (2x,2y,2z), but it leads me to no solution. I've tried another solution where the surface normal (not normalized) is given by

P(ø,θ) = (sinøcosθ, sinøsinθ, cosø)

and the vector product of partial derivatives of the above are used but its making no sense to me. Could you please help me out.

Thanks
 
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Welcome to PF! BTW this thread should probably be moved to the math homework forum.

The solution is very simple. Just know that the radius vector joining the point of contact with the plane and the origin will be perpendicular to the plane. This is your "normal' vector. Find this vector in terms of the three unit vectors. Also find the distance between the plane and the origin.
Now, you have the parameters needed to solve this problem.

Which equation do you want? Vector or Cartesian?
 
JonNash said:
I've tried another solution where the surface normal (not normalized) is given by

P(ø,θ) = (sinøcosθ, sinøsinθ, cosø)

Yes, with the centre of the sphere in the origin, the normal of the tangent plane is parallel to the vector r0 pointing to Po (1/√3;-1/√3;1/√3). All vectors lying in the tangent plane are perpendicular to n. So the equation of the plane is simply (r-r0)n=0. In Cartesian coordinates, (x-x0)nx+(y-y0)ny+(z-z0)nz=0, where nx=xo, ny=yo and nz=zo in this problem.
 

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consciousness said:
Welcome to PF! BTW this thread should probably be moved to the math homework forum.

Thanks, I don't know how to move the thread, I will find out and move it asap.

consciousness said:
The solution is very simple. Just know that the radius vector joining the point of contact with the plane and the origin will be perpendicular to the plane. This is your "normal' vector. Find this vector in terms of the three unit vectors. Also find the distance between the plane and the origin.
Now, you have the parameters needed to solve this problem.

Which equation do you want? Vector or Cartesian?

I found the radius vector as r=(1/√3)i - (1/√3)j + (1/√3)k
and the distance between them is 1 (since it is the radius, I even solved it just to be thorough.) Then I have the perpendicular line and the point through which it passes, so the equation of the plane is given by a(x-x0)+b(y-y0)+c(z-z0)=0 and I need the equation in cartesian. So I solved it and I got x-y+z=√3. But now I have a different problem, I have four options and RHS of each is 1/√3, so did I do something wrong?

ehild said:
Yes, with the centre of the sphere in the origin, the normal of the tangent plane is parallel to the vector r0 pointing to Po (1/√3;-1/√3;1/√3). All vectors lying in the tangent plane are perpendicular to n. So the equation of the plane is simply (r-r0)n=0. In Cartesian coordinates, (x-x0)nx+(y-y0)ny+(z-z0)nz=0, where nx=xo, ny=yo and nz=zo in this problem.

Thanks ehild that equation put me on the right path, but now as I mentioned above the solution is not among the given choices, is it a printing mistake or did I do something wrong here?
 
JonNash said:
So I solved it and I got x-y+z=√3. But now I have a different problem, I have four options and RHS of each is 1/√3, so did I do something wrong?

Your solution is correct, it must be a misprint in the given solution.

ehild
 
Thanks ehild. been racking my brains about it.
 
Also you can't move the thread, that is for the mods to do. :smile: :smile:

Edit: Just crossed my mind but you get 1/√3 on the RHS if you divide your equation by 3 on both sides.
 
consciousness said:
Edit: Just crossed my mind but you get 1/√3 on the RHS if you divide your equation by 3 on both sides.

But that would take me farther away from the choices. Just to be clear, here are the choices present.
a)x+y+z=1/√3
b)x-y+z=1/√3
c)x-y-z=1/√3
d)x+y-z=1/√3

If the b) option on the RHS would have been √3 instead of 1/√3, I would be dancing around happy but the answer which I got gets me close to it but matches none of the choices which in turn is inducing a pandemonium in my head.
 
Yes the options are incorrect.
 

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