A multivariate function of Toruses - tangent vectors

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving multivariate functions related to toruses, specifically focusing on tangent vectors and their properties in the context of a given mapping. Participants explore the implications of the metric and the orthogonality of tangent vectors on the toroidal surface.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between tangent vectors and their magnitudes when traveling along curves on the torus. There is an exploration of how the metric can be utilized to compute lengths of tangent vectors. Questions arise regarding the visualization and understanding of tangent vectors in polar coordinates.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the mapping of tangent vectors and the application of the metric. Some participants have shared their calculations and findings, while others express uncertainty about their previous solutions and seek further clarification on specific concepts.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the visualization of tangent vectors and the correctness of previous solutions, with some participants questioning their understanding of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement
this map multiplies all lengths of tangent vectors by the same factor. what is the factor?
Relevant Equations
p^2+q^2=1
r^2+s^2=1

w^2+x^2=1
y^2+z^2=1

w=pr+qs
x=qr-ps
y=pr-qs
z=qr+ps
Thank you to all those who helped me solve my last question. This week, I've been assigned an interesting problem about toruses. I think I've solved most of this problem on my own, but I'd like to hear a few suggestions for part c.

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I think this map multiplies tangent vectors by a factor of sqrt(2). We can think of tangent vectors as velocity while traveling along a curve on the surface. From simply plotting points, we know if travel around the pq plane or the rs plane once, we travel around both the wx and yz planes. We also know the two planes are orthogonal to each other because it's the definition of the torus under this equation. Under this map, the velocity gains an additional orthogonal component of equal magnitude, and from Pythagorean theorem the net magnitude is sqrt(1+1) = sqrt(2).

Is my intuition correct?

I've calculated the metric in part a and solved part b. but, I don't think these parts will help with c. thanks
 
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The metric tells you how to compute the length of tangent vectors. Maybe it can help?
 
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If you set (p,q,r,s) = (\cos \theta, \sin \theta, \cos \phi, \sin \phi) you will find that in appropriate charts the map sends (\theta, \phi) to (\zeta, \eta) = (\theta - \phi, \theta + \phi). Thus a tangent vector X = \alpha \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} + \beta\frac{\partial}{\partial \phi} is mapped to Y = (\alpha + \beta)\frac{\partial}{\partial \zeta} + (\alpha - \beta)\frac{\partial}{\partial \eta}. You can assume that all of the basis vectors are orthogonal with unit norm.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
The metric tells you how to compute the length of tangent vectors. Maybe it can help?

Thank you. I ended up using the metric and found the answer to be 2.
pasmith said:
If you set (p,q,r,s)=(cos⁡θ,sin⁡θ,cos⁡ϕ,sin⁡ϕ) you will find that in appropriate charts the map sends (θ,ϕ) to (ζ,η)=(θ−ϕ,θ+ϕ). Thus a tangent vector X=α∂∂θ+β∂∂ϕ is mapped to Y=(α+β)∂∂ζ+(α−β)∂∂η. You can assume that all of the basis vectors are orthogonal with unit norm.

Sorry I'm having trouble visualizing these tangent vectors. How does one understand tangent vectors in polar coordinates?

Thanks,
 

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Here are the complete solutions to the problem. Feel free to let me know if you see an error :)
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