Finding the Taylor Series Expansion of sin x about the point x = pi/4

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the Taylor series expansion of the sine function, specifically about the point x = π/4. Participants explore the implications of using a hint that suggests representing sin x as cos(y + π/4) with y being a small variable.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivatives of sin(x) and cos(x) at π/4 to identify patterns for the Taylor expansion. There are attempts to understand how to incorporate the hint involving y and cosine, as well as the challenges in creating an alternating pattern in the series. Some participants suggest separating the summations for even and odd powers, while others propose comparing the patterns to known functions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on the hint and exploring various approaches to the Taylor series expansion. Some have expressed confusion about the hint and its implications, while others have provided insights that may help clarify the situation. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem due to the non-zero expansion point and the resulting patterns in the series. There is also mention of the potential for confusion regarding the hint and the role of the variable y.

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Homework Statement



Expand sin x about the point x = pi/4. Hint: Represent the function as
sin x = cos (y + pi/4) and assume y to be small

Homework Equations



Taylor Series Expansion

f(x)= f(a) + f'(a) (x-a)+ (1/2!) f''(a) (x-a)^2+ (1/3!) f"'(a) (x-a)^3+...+ 1/n! f(n)(a) (x-a)^n

The Attempt at a Solution



I know how to do the Taylor expansion... but I believe he wants us to use the hint in order to write it as an infinite summation with a sigma notation.. like how we can write e^x equal to an infinite series in sigma notation. Does anybody have any ideas?
 
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Well, first figure out what the derivatives of sin(x) and cos(x) are at pi/4. That should give you a pattern that you can then use.
 
Yes I have done that and I am able to create a taylor expansion at pi/4. However since the expansion is not at zero, you will get a pattern like this: two positive terms, two negative terms, two positive terms, two negative terms... and so on.
I know about using an alternator such as (-1)^n to create an alternating pattern in the summation... however I could not find anything that would create the pattern that I have just described.
The only thing I can think of that has that pattern is the powers of i. However if I use the powers of i.. then i have extra i's for every other term that i can not get rid of.
And I do not understand the hint. Where did y come from? is it now a function of y? what happened to x?... and why cosine?
I hope I am being clear.
Thanks for the help
 
I wouldn't bother using the hint to be honest... and I think the best you can do here is write two separate summations: one for the even powers and one for the odd powers.
 
AlexChandler said:
Yes I have done that and I am able to create a taylor expansion at pi/4. However since the expansion is not at zero, you will get a pattern like this: two positive terms, two negative terms, two positive terms, two negative terms... and so on.
I know about using an alternator such as (-1)^n to create an alternating pattern in the summation... however I could not find anything that would create the pattern that I have just described.
The only thing I can think of that has that pattern is the powers of i. However if I use the powers of i.. then i have extra i's for every other term that i can not get rid of.
And I do not understand the hint. Where did y come from? is it now a function of y? what happened to x?... and why cosine?
I hope I am being clear.
Thanks for the help

Char. Limit said:
I wouldn't bother using the hint to be honest... and I think the best you can do here is write two separate summations: one for the even powers and one for the odd powers.

No, you can do better than separate summations. When you look at the derivative patterns, which are more complicated than (-1)n = cos(n pi), think about comparing your pattern with

\sin(\frac \pi 4 + \frac{n\pi}{2})

Btw, I don't understand his hint either.
 
LCKurtz said:
No, you can do better than separate summations. When you look at the derivative patterns, which are more complicated than (-1)n = cos(n pi), think about comparing your pattern with

\sin(\frac \pi 4 + \frac{n\pi}{2})

Ahh! Thank you! You know.. I think I could have figured that out.
Haha I feel a little stupid now.
 
LCKurtz said:
No, you can do better than separate summations. When you look at the derivative patterns, which are more complicated than (-1)n = cos(n pi), think about comparing your pattern with

\sin(\frac \pi 4 + \frac{n\pi}{2})

AlexChandler said:
Ahh! Thank you! You know.. I think I could have figured that out.
Haha I feel a little stupid now.

No need to feel embarrassed. Tricks like that always seem obvious once you've seen them. Next problem like that you will figure it right out.
 
Aha I thought of another one that would work.

Sgn(in)
 
haha, you are in my class. I was having trouble with that problem too.
 

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